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On June 17 2015 10:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray confirmed?
##Vote: Bill Murray GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. bf cause he didn't post why oneg? lol ksc has not been terribly impressive to me from the start xP
His opening felt forced + his necessity of showing a similar opening (which is actually very different) was terrible
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On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not masons with ksc hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^
Town GB?
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On June 17 2015 10:58 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray confirmed?
##Vote: Bill Murray GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. Why for kelsier?
I think his attempt of rediscuss LS was actually an attempt to disrupt town ("let me raise suspicions on a guy I can raise suspicions so town doesn't actually make a good PoE list")
Just how I felt. Of course I need other evidence, but it was enough to take him out of the town list
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On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:
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ahem hem hem
read again pretty no thanks. I don't put weight in tone reads, I expect you to have some justification for them. lol wow maybe if i just c/p the one little section it will stave off the reading comprehension rant: "best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^" it's how i read him early. i tend to be right. if you don't like it, too bad -shoos- it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though. ##unvote
##vote rsoultin <3 how cute! it thinks it can lynch me (if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely) is this supposed to be a fake strong response? I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting. So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum. -yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done.
Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players?
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On June 17 2015 11:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not masons with ksc hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ Town GB? hahahahahaha have a free town read
YAY
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On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:
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lol wow
maybe if i just c/p the one little section it will stave off the reading comprehension rant:
"best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^"
it's how i read him early. i tend to be right. if you don't like it, too bad
-shoos- it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though. ##unvote
##vote rsoultin <3 how cute! it thinks it can lynch me (if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely) is this supposed to be a fake strong response? I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting. So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum. -yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no?
I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her.
I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell.
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Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird.
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Ok, ritoky is probably town
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Actual Listpost v1.0
Probs town
- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null
- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia
- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred
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On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now.
Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not.
Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies?
And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez.
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On June 17 2015 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
you don't have to bus each other you know
I feel great that you also felt like this
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On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now
I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though.
This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY.
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On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote:
yo hf you got a real scumread on me
i'm curious
so very curious well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out
Are you doing mediation in the court? 
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On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it.
Let me tell you something:
Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin.
I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere.
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On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.-
-1 townpoint for parroting me
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By the way, HF, I'm sheeping you today if I feel your read is okay 
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And stop thinking that doing nothing day1 will save you from death because your inactivity is obviously making them think you're blue, so step up
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On June 17 2015 12:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- -1 townpoint for parroting me Umm I hadn't even read your read on holyflare. How about a +1 townpoint for coming from the same mindset as me unless you're scum?
Sure!
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On June 17 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. ... if you really feel this way that makes me sad gb 
I love you dear, you know that
But I have to agree with holyflare and ritoky and a little bit with Robik EHMMM Bugs.
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