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On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote:
That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1.
He claimed having been rb'ed during N1 in N2. So he could have waited N1 and D2 to see if someone was claiming to be rb'ed. As a town that was being rb'ed would have been likely to claim. And yes that would 100% lead to you being his GF friend.
But looking through your filter I haven't been able to find substantial evidence for that and I am not sure if I want to go at a greencheck and unclaimed blue for such a tinfoil theory.
That being said. I still think we should check that theory out and not dismiss it right of the bat.
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On May 29 2015 22:24 Tictock wrote:
This also leads me to believe that you Bara are joining in with the fake claims to mislead town into thinking there is a 2nd Roleblocker this game.
Possible. But we have to find good evidence that point to:
- Bara being scum
- Bara being plotspots partner
I skimmed Baras filter and he seemed to interact with a bunch of people.
But I didn't see him putting out a lot of acutal reads and the interaction with plotspot until D3 was very minimal.
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EBWOP:
I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, to see if I can find something there.
Otherwise I think we have to lynch one of Sulfuras/27ninjabunnies and maybe boxerfred. 
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EBWOP2:
I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, when I am back at home. (in ~2h)
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On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.
if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass...
pretty disappointed so far.
do you have anything else?
your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...
but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...
tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p
also phone post. will be at home in 30min
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On May 30 2015 00:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Lol how is what I posted not caring?
Okay, I'll axe you a few questions:
Of the remaining people (that means no claim, no check and so on):
Who do you think the most town and why do you think so?
Who is your second highest scum read after Sulfurus and why?
What is your current read on barakos (ignoring his green check)?
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On May 30 2015 00:44 plotspot wrote:
Lol Tictock basically gave it away guys, why should he prefer me (the Goon) over Barakos (the God father), if in case I'm not the Goon, Barakos could still be a possible Godfather? Does he know something more than we do?
He doesn't want to lynch you because you are the Goon, he wants to lynch you because he thinks your filter looks incredible scummy.
Would like to see him making a case out of it tbh.
And you are a bit spamy atm. Could you please try to stop that? Makes the thread harder to read and I always have to search for the posts you are talking about.
I also really don't like how ticktoc and you are tunneling each other. You are an uncc'ed blue, with a pretty low chance of actually being lynched, why are you fighting him so hard?
Why are you on him again, after dropping him like a hot potato, after someone (wasn't it barakos?) says that boxerfred probably won't counter cc ticktoc's mason claim?
so far barakos's filter looks pretty towny to me.
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Ah, btw. unless I find something great that would make a worthwhile case, I am willing to sheep onto 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus or maybe boxerfred. Depending what happens the next few hours.
Besides from bunnies I would like to read stuff from batsnacks and sicklucker, since they probably have the most experience in handling situations like this.
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On May 30 2015 01:21 plotspot wrote:
ok sorry dis, I don't know where you are reading currently but please can you read the last 3 pages and give me an opinion of what you think?
About what exactly?
ticktoc is afraid that one of the blue claims is lying and town will lose if we ignore that. Since you two were yelling at each other since a while and batsnacks claim is pretty legit, he thinks you are fakeclaiming.
You are pretty frustrated of this and try to convince him otherwise.
TBH I think you are both reaching a lot by now.
Just noticed that barakos seems a bit focused on sicklucker and me, but at least he is consistent of that through the whole game. 
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On May 30 2015 01:31 Tictock wrote:
@ Dis
Notice any shifts in Bara's attitude when lynching inactives?
Hm? The guy who changed his attitude about lynching inactives was boxerfred?
Barakos was set on voting me D1 and set on sicklucker D2.
Thinks sicklucker and me are both his top scum reads, but he is willing to sheep our cop today. Yeah it is not great, but with all the confusing about roles and claims I can understand why he would be willing to do that.
barakos looked solid D1, putting out his own reads (was the first to vote me) and pushes (does 2 cases on me D1). Not that much of unique reads D2, but he has a bunch of interactions with people. Might need to look if he sheeped onto sicklucker D2.
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Eh wait. I think I am confusing boxerfred and barakos a bit. -.-
I'll stop reading thread until I am done with the filter.
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On May 30 2015 02:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:08 Tictock wrote:
Honestly town can do whatever it wants.
I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.
I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying. So push SL or disinfo or barakos... Here's a good place to start: SL likes to drop off in activity once he's safe as mafia.
Which he clearly did D2, after most votes where off him. Also haven't seen him at all today...
He also didn't answer the question from my wall post.
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"So push SL..."
*summoning of sicklucker succesful*
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On May 30 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:21 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him. Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town. ##unvote ##vote Disformation kay. whatevs. Have you at least read my answer to your question? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716Also: + Show Spoiler + Yes. You still did not answer my question. I was not asking how you came down to that list, I was asking how you said "There is a godfather" and "bunnies is greenchecked and thus a confirmed townie". I can get point one. I can get point two. If you say both at the same time, you create a paradox.
... FFS
Next try:
- Make a pool of all people alive.
- Remove people with claims and checks and so on
- If we randomly lynch one of those people we have a 66% chance to hit mafia IF there is no GF
[*]IF there is a GF: this chance is 33% IF one of bunnies or barakos is the GF
This is not a paradox...
better?
@sicklucker:
Care to explain why you said BM might be scum in this post:
On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote:
Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm
Earlier D2 you had him cleared off all suspicion after reading through scott's filter and saying scott spewed him town.
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On May 30 2015 01:59 Sulfurus wrote:
@Tictock please please please don't vote on Plots today. Obviously Batsnacks dies tonight but on the next night Mafia has to kill him since at this point he is a superior medic (he can prevent a KP regardless of who it is on and he confirms a mafia) so there is no point in doing mafia's job for them. This is what I was trying to say with my previous post so hopefully this gets through to you this time.
Right now my POE list is NinjaBunnies, Sicklucker, BoxerFred, and Disformation (no offense to the town on the list, I just think Barakos is townier) so we should lynch one of those names, preferably Bunnies.
And yes if a VT ever gets NK before a blue feel free to go ham on Plots.
This post honestly looks like town getting town to stop doing stuff. Sound reasoning. PoE list looks reasonable. But I'd like to hear a few explanations about that.
27ninjabunnies starts to give me an annoyed/frustrated town vibe... and I kinda have a feeling that D2 was between two town wagons (yeah a feeling is probably not a really solid reasoning, but whatevs :p). I am also not really fond of the odds of lynching into a green check...
On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.
So I really need to look into my two remaining choices:
boxerfred and sicklucker...
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On May 30 2015 02:44 boxerfred wrote:Also I love how your posts starts with "FFS" and ends with " " :D
Yeah at first I was like "Ugh! This is not rocket science!" and then I was like "okay, this is much easier to understand than before." 
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On May 30 2015 02:57 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah, or you and sicklucker *rolls eyes*. You and me are so fucking interchangeable. Since I'm not maf, I'm re-picking up my vote on you. ##vote Disformation. Seriously you're not even trying to understand my reads regarding plots and 27nb, you just keep yolo'ing on people. I'm willing to bet money on you unvoting in a bit and follow the main train anyways. I said it before and I say it again, I do not like this play at all.
You are awefully quick to pick up that vote after I mention your name.
And I think I already unvoted. (Vote count please?)
But stay with me:
Without the blue claims and myself who is left:
bunnies: who looks not good at all on D2 and D3, but has a green check. Not 100% comfortable to lynch a green check.
Sulfurus: who looked really good D1, did nothing D2, looks at bit better as of today.
boxerfred: Not really sold either way.
sicklucker: Looks pretty good D3, but there are some D2 plays that confuse me and he hasn't even bothered to explain. Also ridic hard to read overall.
disformation: yeah I am not the greatest, but in my mind it is obvious that I am at trying to solve this. I am also trying to show you WHY I am waffling that much. Also since sicklucker tried this already we know that I am not allowed to vote myself.
So. 3+ people on that list are town making the game a lot harder and I am having a hard time deciding who on that list is the scummiest person around.
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Yo.
On May 27 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote:On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote:
@BF
The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.
I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.
Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.
Who are you fairly confident is town?
Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo? I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me. I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin. I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing. When it comes to scum, I'm still holding the 27nb and SL torch, throwing a bit of disinfo into it.
Wasn't that your last read on 27ninjabunnies? Why aren't you voting her now? Why do you pick me over her? Why not make a case on sicklucker?
Also at this point stating that you are on me since D2 sounds a lot like tunneling. Also If you were town you wouldn't go this mad on the only person really pushing you... do you want to discredit me, so others won't look at my facts this hard?
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On May 30 2015 03:15 boxerfred wrote:yeah I can go full plots by now or you can just explain some things that were brought up against you (also by dis by the way).
She already answered that stuff?
On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.
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