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On February 25 2015 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 07:50 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.
I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.
I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him. On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
Tormented is mafia***
Don't phone post kids You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away. does this mean i'm mafia then? This is kind of a scummy question. Agree/disagree?
I don't get it
Why don't you explain it?
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On February 25 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games apparently I have to "explain my reads" no fun
???
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On February 25 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote:
also in half an hour I have a blow your mind read.
I bet I have to explain that aswell.
I mean if I think HTS is mafia for not doing anything and I don't get what you're doing, why wouldn't I think you're mafia?
I don't get why you're so butthurt about people asking you for this. You replaced into a slot that hadn't done shit previously occupied by a player known for getting shit done. Handwaving her lack of production by saying "read me not her" and then doing your best to make it difficult to read you isn't leaving me any options
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On February 25 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:35 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games apparently I have to "explain my reads" no fun ??? d1 i just wanted to tell people who to lynch and people got pissy about it. It made me think about the game more so I ended up doubting myself. easier if i just tell people what to do and gtfo
establish your innocence and then you can do this
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On February 25 2015 08:39 _Tormented_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:33 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 25 2015 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_ left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me? I remembered you never answered my initial probe about your reads list when yamato mentioned that you should reevaluate. I'm not losing shit, how about you actually followup instead of deflecting? My reads were because I thought Artanis was bouncing around and trying very hard to seem town. I don't know how he/she plays and therefore I am unsure if this is normal behavior or an attempt to get the conversation moving in any direction that is not aimed at himself/herself. With your read, you were making a lot of posts that had absolutely nothing to do with helping the game.
1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"?
2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before?
3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on?
4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads?
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On February 25 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote:
also in half an hour I have a blow your mind read.
I bet I have to explain that aswell. I mean if I think HTS is mafia for not doing anything and I don't get what you're doing, why wouldn't I think you're mafia? I don't get why you're so butthurt about people asking you for this. You replaced into a slot that hadn't done shit previously occupied by a player known for getting shit done. Handwaving her lack of production by saying "read me not her" and then doing your best to make it difficult to read you isn't leaving me any options i'm not butthurt i'm just having a good time
cool
so why do you expect me not to scumread you here? if you're town then clearly I'm wrong and missing something townie you've done (esp. since I explicitly said "you've done nothing townie") so how about taking a minute of your time and showing me
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On February 25 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post. Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town. When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you. Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though.
you caught a bad case of the dumbs this game
restate your apparent case on me as concisely as you can and see if it still makes sense, because every time I attempt to reduce it to a consolidated form that I can respond to I don't understand it
seems to be a bunch of stuff I can't even respond to, like alleged ties to HTS and tone reads, mixed with things that aren't alignment indicative (not giving superficial explanations for reads that I can do and have done as both alignments before; filter length being not as long as past town games, except the one I just got out of lol, even though I've actively made an effort not to post as much b/c it runs people out of games)
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On February 25 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:44 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote:On February 25 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote:
also in half an hour I have a blow your mind read.
I bet I have to explain that aswell. I mean if I think HTS is mafia for not doing anything and I don't get what you're doing, why wouldn't I think you're mafia? I don't get why you're so butthurt about people asking you for this. You replaced into a slot that hadn't done shit previously occupied by a player known for getting shit done. Handwaving her lack of production by saying "read me not her" and then doing your best to make it difficult to read you isn't leaving me any options i'm not butthurt i'm just having a good time cool so why do you expect me not to scumread you here? if you're town then clearly I'm wrong and missing something townie you've done (esp. since I explicitly said "you've done nothing townie") so how about taking a minute of your time and showing me scum read me if you want i don't give a fuck lol
you should if you're town b/c you're making this game unnecessarily harder on your teammate
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On February 25 2015 08:59 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:52 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote:On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post. Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town. When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you. Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though. you caught a bad case of the dumbs this game restate your apparent case on me as concisely as you can and see if it still makes sense, because every time I attempt to reduce it to a consolidated form that I can respond to I don't understand it seems to be a bunch of stuff I can't even respond to, like alleged ties to HTS and tone reads, mixed with things that aren't alignment indicative (not giving superficial explanations for reads that I can do and have done as both alignments before; filter length being not as long as past town games, except the one I just got out of lol, even though I've actively made an effort not to post as much b/c it runs people out of games) Nope not dumb I've given you two posts that were concise and talked about your play here. You wanted us to look at your mafia games to compare here which isn't what we need to do, you lack follow up on a shot ton of things. I've pointed out several. You lack a clear push just settling on tormented even though you are clearly slumming hts slot. Which is possible to be mafia granted. And this isn't about some associative read with hts
LIKE WHAT????? Your earlygame comments where you wanted me to jump around every 5 seconds because I did it in some town games a few weeks / month or so back? I literally remember nothing else you want me to "followup" on
And then you're saying I "settled on Tormented" WHEN I'M VOTING HIM TO GET HIM TO FOLLOWUP ON SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER????
Wtf am I supposed to do with this?
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On February 25 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 09:02 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:59 Damdred wrote:On February 25 2015 08:52 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:43 Damdred wrote:On February 25 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Seriously eden, last night I explained my misgivings on you and hts. You asked I answered, after I answered wave took over. You haven't really responded to that still.
You reentered the thread called for policy lynch didn't act on it moved on to picking on node. Nowback to ksc.
You just aren't trying to figure things out but have the appearance at this point you keep saying things without backing any of it up, what am I supposed to do about that? and "wave took over" lol what even is that "picking on Node"? are both of you blind? I scumread Node for making this big post on you that all but called you mafia then put you in null/not necessarily mafia. He had a decent reply so I backed off of it. Then he did it again with Tarnok. That's pretty suspicious behavior to me, the only reason I'm off of it is b/c I did think Node's response to my first callout was ok and I read Artanis town and he's telling me he thinks Node is townish. I want Tormented to explain his initial reads and then tell me what's changed in all the posts in-between. Still think KSC is mafia b/c HTS wasn't doing anything (which is completely opposite her town game) and KSC hasn't done anything townie since he reentered the thread This is so dumb that I even have to explain this. I'm pretty obviously town if you compare to any of my mafia games People can check out your filter and come to their own conclussions. I post my thoughts. And people can fact check you know that's how I work. Which makes this a super defensive post. Actually you do have to defend yourself and when you compare this tone wise length wise and content wise it's way different than your town. When I say wave took over you disappeared after I answered you. Your reads are lacking for you as kel pointed out though. you caught a bad case of the dumbs this game restate your apparent case on me as concisely as you can and see if it still makes sense, because every time I attempt to reduce it to a consolidated form that I can respond to I don't understand it seems to be a bunch of stuff I can't even respond to, like alleged ties to HTS and tone reads, mixed with things that aren't alignment indicative (not giving superficial explanations for reads that I can do and have done as both alignments before; filter length being not as long as past town games, except the one I just got out of lol, even though I've actively made an effort not to post as much b/c it runs people out of games) Nope not dumb I've given you two posts that were concise and talked about your play here. You wanted us to look at your mafia games to compare here which isn't what we need to do, you lack follow up on a shot ton of things. I've pointed out several. You lack a clear push just settling on tormented even though you are clearly slumming hts slot. Which is possible to be mafia granted. And this isn't about some associative read with hts LIKE WHAT????? Your earlygame comments where you wanted me to jump around every 5 seconds because I did it in some town games a few weeks / month or so back? I literally remember nothing else you want me to "followup" on And then you're saying I "settled on Tormented" WHEN I'M VOTING HIM TO GET HIM TO FOLLOWUP ON SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER???? Wtf am I supposed to do with this? vote SL
nah not yet
the point that he peaced out was actually a pretty good one but I'm gonna wait to see what he does
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On February 25 2015 11:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm not soft pushing anything lol, my stance is pretty hard?
where's your vote punk
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On February 25 2015 12:23 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 12:20 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 11:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm not soft pushing anything lol, my stance is pretty hard? where's your vote punk I usually don't vote early or often
Not a very hard push if you don't have the cajones to vote me, amigo
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On February 25 2015 12:24 Probulous wrote:
Anybody know what happened to The Shining?
My only experience with him (coaching rsoultin in the last student game) suggests he's not an active poster. He was somewhat effective as mafia then. Idk if his activity is alignment indicative.
For the record I still think Damdred is town, I'm just antagonizing him because I'm pretty sure he knows I'm town and is just being stubborn about it
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On February 25 2015 12:29 Probulous wrote:
Eden, why is your vote on tormentor?
He never really explained his reads list, and he never updated it despite lots of new info. I initially voted for pressure but it might just stick since he bailed on the thread when I asked some followup stuff
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Speak the devil's name...
Tormented, I asked you followup q's they're in my filter. Might quote them for you even though I'm on mobile (wow so helpful much town!!)
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On February 25 2015 08:41 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:39 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 25 2015 08:33 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 08:29 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 25 2015 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: _Tormented_ left field? You start losing the argument against damred and ksc so you try and pile on me? I remembered you never answered my initial probe about your reads list when yamato mentioned that you should reevaluate. I'm not losing shit, how about you actually followup instead of deflecting? My reads were because I thought Artanis was bouncing around and trying very hard to seem town. I don't know how he/she plays and therefore I am unsure if this is normal behavior or an attempt to get the conversation moving in any direction that is not aimed at himself/herself. With your read, you were making a lot of posts that had absolutely nothing to do with helping the game. 1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"? 2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before? 3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on? 4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads?
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On February 25 2015 12:34 _Tormented_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 12:32 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:29 Probulous wrote:
Eden, why is your vote on tormentor? He never really explained his reads list, and he never updated it despite lots of new info. I initially voted for pressure but it might just stick since he bailed on the thread when I asked some followup stuff bailed? I said you seemed mafia because of the lack of desire to post anything relating to useful information for the first several pages.
Sweet I guess I'll count it as an answer to #2. Now that I'm posting good and clearly town your view changed, yeah?
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On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment.
It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility
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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
I am going with this for now.
##Vote: Snarfs
bleeding red
my vote is in a good place
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On February 25 2015 15:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am not really buying it snarf. His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting. I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point. You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument. Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
I am going with this for now.
##Vote: Snarfs
so let's talk about this post
His comment on Damdred is odd, but makes sense with the way Damdred has been acting.
no it doesn't, not like he said it. he made a pretty good argument for why Damdred was mafia and then said "but I don't read you as mafia yet." I already went over this, it didn't make sense at the time and no ex post facto arguments about Damdred's more recent towniness changes this
I think you are purposely over analyzing his Tronak post and thirdly I see absolutely nothing wrong with his post in your third point.
how about actually demonstrating how he's overanalyzing at all, let alone purposeful? this is all buzzwords and glittering generalities when unsubstantiated with an explanation
and if you see nothing wrong with the behavior he cited in his 3rd argument against Node, why aren't you explaining it?
You also made it a point to point out that you know you are town...asking us to "keep it in mind". Was that part really necessary unless you want to make yourself seem as townie as possible so that everyone buys your version of the argument.
here we have actual overanalyzing of one part of what Snarfs said (the "keep in mind" bit)... while somehow also missing the actual point ("but he doesn't [meaning that he has no other reason to believe Snarfs is town]... and if he thinks I'm mafia for X, and that me doing Y doesn't change this, why would he townread me for continuing to do Y?")
Not to mention seeming overanxious to get opinions on your post. You were probably better off just not saying anything else, then trying to bug players into commenting.
there is literally nothing wrong with trying to get more opinions on a post. if he believes in it he absolutely should. why is he coaching a player he's scumreading here? if he's not, wtf is he doing?
we should lynch this guy
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