EPTOn November 03 2014 00:44 Damdred wrote:
please don't do that hf rit was spewing it for a few posts
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On November 02 2014 12:06 ritoky wrote:
I disagree. I think his case says the following:
1) damdred had done nothing to the point where he deserved anything more than a gut read leaning town.
2) damdred was doing things that were actively anti-town and deserved pressure.
3) OWS comes swooping in and starts calling damdred town before he has really done anything
4) THEN damdred claims and gives reads
so his issue is that it seems like you were ready to call him town pre-mature, before he had done anything to warrant it. maybe that's where you say the disagreement is; but frankly I am still waiting to see what he had done prior to claiming to deserve it. and not LT's weak BS.
overall i think LT is wayyyyy worse than you. your reasoning is bad reasoning but at least it's reasoning and you stick behind it. LT just grafted onto someone else's point, and when asked for a reason made up some of the weakest shit i have ever read. didn't even feel like he believed what he was typing. would lynch him right now.
On November 02 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You are going to lose your mind when you play with someone who doesn't give reads on day 1.
I just looked over the HF case and that's bad too. Here's what it boils down to: "Obi doesn't agree with me so he's mafia."
It's funny, because I don't even think he's scummy for posting it. He tried to kill me in a different game because I didn't agree with him. It's really annoying to end up dealing with the exact same reasoning and expecting a different outcome.
On November 02 2014 11:53 ritoky wrote:
I interpret "I don't like a damdred lynch" as "hey this guy is at least leaning town for me".
And you think explicitly withholding information and reads is a good thing?
On November 02 2014 11:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I never called him town. I said the reasoning was bad.
And it was.
On November 02 2014 11:48 ritoky wrote:
Damdred clearly stated: I have notes, but fuck town I am not giving them out. That was not townie at all, and he was rightly pressured for it. You called him townie despite that, which is BAD. I think your reasoning was bad, and LT saying your filter was reasonable means he agrees that damdred deserved a town read PRIOR to claiming or using his power. Which is something I both cannot understand and cannot get behind. Especially when LT's reason is a "gut read" after 50 pages of content. That's a load of crap.
As for why your defense is bad, HF already did that well enough.
On November 02 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hold up.
Why is it that my defense of Damdred is bad? The whole issue with Damdred was that a bunch of people went out and proved that he was being scumread for bad reasons, but you think the reasoning was good? Why is it that my defense is bad but you don't mention anything about LT's defense?
Instead, you went and scumread him for giving a generic opinion on something else. Idgi?
On November 02 2014 11:02 ritoky wrote:
I don't think you get what I am saying. I am saying prior to Damdred claiming, OWS was defending him as town; which I cannot personally see a reason for. The questions of him and the pressure was from a legitimate angle.
You then say this:
Which means that you find it reasonable that he was defending damdred and calling him town before he claimed; implying you agreed with his assessment. I want to know why? Cuz it sure as shit makes no sense to me.
On November 02 2014 10:56 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Reread your question:
I do think Damdred is townish, One: because while yes, it's now a majority lynch, town should be perfectly able to consolidate with another 24 hours, and quite frankly, the extra 24 hours are much more important for town.
In any event, what point would mafia Damdred have to gain by breadcrumbing and revealing himself? It just puts him under scrutiny here.
My read of his filter is unremarkable, outside his strong townread on jay. Which I find lulzy.
Reread your question:
I do think Damdred is townish, One: because while yes, it's now a majority lynch, town should be perfectly able to consolidate with another 24 hours, and quite frankly, the extra 24 hours are much more important for town.
In any event, what point would mafia Damdred have to gain by breadcrumbing and revealing himself? It just puts him under scrutiny here.
My read of his filter is unremarkable, outside his strong townread on jay. Which I find lulzy.
I don't think you get what I am saying. I am saying prior to Damdred claiming, OWS was defending him as town; which I cannot personally see a reason for. The questions of him and the pressure was from a legitimate angle.
You then say this:
On November 02 2014 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If you mean me, he leans town based on muh gut.
His filter is reasonable in my read, nothing scummy stands out, and personally, I like this post.
If you mean me, he leans town based on muh gut.
His filter is reasonable in my read, nothing scummy stands out, and personally, I like this post.
Which means that you find it reasonable that he was defending damdred and calling him town before he claimed; implying you agreed with his assessment. I want to know why? Cuz it sure as shit makes no sense to me.
Hold up.
Why is it that my defense of Damdred is bad? The whole issue with Damdred was that a bunch of people went out and proved that he was being scumread for bad reasons, but you think the reasoning was good? Why is it that my defense is bad but you don't mention anything about LT's defense?
Instead, you went and scumread him for giving a generic opinion on something else. Idgi?
Damdred clearly stated: I have notes, but fuck town I am not giving them out. That was not townie at all, and he was rightly pressured for it. You called him townie despite that, which is BAD. I think your reasoning was bad, and LT saying your filter was reasonable means he agrees that damdred deserved a town read PRIOR to claiming or using his power. Which is something I both cannot understand and cannot get behind. Especially when LT's reason is a "gut read" after 50 pages of content. That's a load of crap.
As for why your defense is bad, HF already did that well enough.
I never called him town. I said the reasoning was bad.
And it was.
I interpret "I don't like a damdred lynch" as "hey this guy is at least leaning town for me".
And you think explicitly withholding information and reads is a good thing?
You are going to lose your mind when you play with someone who doesn't give reads on day 1.
I just looked over the HF case and that's bad too. Here's what it boils down to: "Obi doesn't agree with me so he's mafia."
It's funny, because I don't even think he's scummy for posting it. He tried to kill me in a different game because I didn't agree with him. It's really annoying to end up dealing with the exact same reasoning and expecting a different outcome.
I disagree. I think his case says the following:
1) damdred had done nothing to the point where he deserved anything more than a gut read leaning town.
2) damdred was doing things that were actively anti-town and deserved pressure.
3) OWS comes swooping in and starts calling damdred town before he has really done anything
4) THEN damdred claims and gives reads
so his issue is that it seems like you were ready to call him town pre-mature, before he had done anything to warrant it. maybe that's where you say the disagreement is; but frankly I am still waiting to see what he had done prior to claiming to deserve it. and not LT's weak BS.
overall i think LT is wayyyyy worse than you. your reasoning is bad reasoning but at least it's reasoning and you stick behind it. LT just grafted onto someone else's point, and when asked for a reason made up some of the weakest shit i have ever read. didn't even feel like he believed what he was typing. would lynch him right now.
please don't do that hf rit was spewing it for a few posts
Well ritoky isn't the main advocate at all and he agrees with me nonetheless
