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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 01:16 GMT
#1042
On November 02 2014 10:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ugh HF voted me again.

This game is going to be really fucking annoying.


"oh no i have to play the game"?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 04:49 GMT
#1082
On November 02 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf said that his points on damdred being scum were infallible and I didn't agree with him based on nothing so I'm scum.

Which is wrong because the case on Damdred was provably bad, so it ends up boiling down to "Obi didn't agree with me so he's scum."

So thanks for not actually reading that post I guess.

On November 02 2014 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hate it when people scumread others for poking holes in bad arguments. It's really stupid.


You have given absolutely no reason why they are bad in the slightest so don't act like you have
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 04:54 GMT
#1083
On November 02 2014 10:56 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Reread your question:

I do think Damdred is townish, One: because while yes, it's now a majority lynch, town should be perfectly able to consolidate with another 24 hours, and quite frankly, the extra 24 hours are much more important for town.

In any event, what point would mafia Damdred have to gain by breadcrumbing and revealing himself? It just puts him under scrutiny here.


My read of his filter is unremarkable, outside his strong townread on jay. Which I find lulzy
.


On November 02 2014 11:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 10:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2014 10:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On November 02 2014 10:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2014 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On November 02 2014 09:54 Blazinghand wrote:
L, what you think of OWD

If you mean me, he leans town based on muh gut.

His filter is reasonable in my read, nothing scummy stands out, and personally, I like this post.

On November 01 2014 14:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The dichotomy between lian/Circumstance is something I'm looking at. I really don't like how lian nitpicks at one of Circumstance's posts and then turns around and then says "hey, it reminds me of when I was new."

When you're new, you end up leaving a ton of holes in your game that people can pick at, which is what I've seen in Circumstance's play. (not having enough scumreads, putting quite a bit of emphasis on setup, etc)

You'd think that would mean you would put more effort into figuring that player out instead of just pushing a tiny thing like that, but I guess lian doesn't feel like doing that. I find it strange.

On November 01 2014 13:51 liancourt wrote:
misder is my top scum atm reasons are in my previous post

dont think he's posted anything since then.


Where do you stand on Circumstance?

Also, the analysis thing on Jay is a waste of time because he's town. I'm not going to elaborate on this because the cat is going to explain it for you. On the off chance that the cat is actually controlled by 3p or mafia, I can compare my read to whatever it gives us and see if it's actually a town entity or not by seeing if it agrees with me.

##Analyze: JB

I kind of realized that I contradicted myself in that paragraph, but w/e it's fine don't think about it.


so you don't think it was weird that he was defending damdred and calling him innocent before he even claimed? then why do you think damdred is town outside of his blue claim?

Part One: Somewhat, but town can be erratic perfectly well. Don't see any major issue with his defense of damdred.

Part Two: Yes. At the least, I'd rather lynch someone else today.

Since the day is now long enough for risk.nuke to post tomorrow, I want to read a good set of posts from him.


yeah except the part where you didn't answer WHY outside of his claim damdred is town.

Hard to describe. If you go through his filter, he clearly has a thought process, and is asking town-focused questions.

He's got appropriate skepticism.


These 2 reads do not go together AT ALL. The second quote shows you have a town read on him for unquantifiable reasons and are really vague but the first quote you say his play as been totally unremarkable which is scummy and that's all you say???

It's like you made up a reason and then actually read his filter then made up even more vague responses.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 04:57 GMT
#1085
Why would you lynch him if you like his case on kirby?? Theres like 24 hours still to reach a consensus which will easily happen in that time
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:31 GMT
#1091
On November 02 2014 14:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:49 Holyflare wrote:
On November 02 2014 12:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf said that his points on damdred being scum were infallible and I didn't agree with him based on nothing so I'm scum.

Which is wrong because the case on Damdred was provably bad, so it ends up boiling down to "Obi didn't agree with me so he's scum."

So thanks for not actually reading that post I guess.

On November 02 2014 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hate it when people scumread others for poking holes in bad arguments. It's really stupid.


You have given absolutely no reason why they are bad in the slightest so don't act like you have


Yes I have. You even quoted them.

@JB: I'm not sure. Still BH probably, just for calling me mafia for generic stuff and not backing it up well enough I guess. I haven't really looked at his posts in depth yet, so I'll probably do that in the morning or something.


Stop being an absolute prick and explain because ritoky elaborated it pretty well.

Damdred makes a case on someone being town. Fine. That's a bit scummy and not really something town does when all he's asked is why is jay town but i can buy it as being null. Then he says it only took him 5 minutes because he just copied his notes. Fine, towny to have notes.

Then he gets called out on his notes and doesn't post them at all. So it is in fact a lie at this point. The only reason bear in mind that he WOULD get lynched is because he isn't posting these notes at all despite saying he has them. He reveals aldor time extension etc and you say there's no reason to lynch damd for...? (no reason), there's no scum motive to lie about reads (despite us categorically proving why what he did was very scum motivated) so what reason would there to lie about them as town (hint, none).

Doing the time extension when he did for the reason he did is bull shit if he didn't post notes and only scum motivated when coupled with the reason he gave and no notes. Yet you said otherwise before the notes even happened. Before any sense of him being town could be had. It doesn't make any sense unless you know his alignment and only mafoa know his alignment.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:31 GMT
#1092
On November 02 2014 14:17 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you lynch him if you like his case on kirby?? Theres like 24 hours still to reach a consensus which will easily happen in that time


His scumminess overshadows his townliness. What do you think about kirby?


I don't really think he's scummy at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:36 GMT
#1093
It blows my mind that only I am on obi when he's so blatantly scummy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:36 GMT
#1094
Especially gb ignoring him is very bad looking
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:39 GMT
#1095
On November 02 2014 14:17 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you lynch him if you like his case on kirby?? Theres like 24 hours still to reach a consensus which will easily happen in that time


His scumminess overshadows his townliness. What do you think about kirby?


So there's absolutely nobody else who has all negative points and you'd rather lynch the guy you agree in part with??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:43 GMT
#1097
You literally are giving 0 reasons why lying about notes is a towny thing and instead only giving an example that a cop did it one time when presumably he had a red check which is impossible here.

Nothing you said makes any sense on why you gave that read when a guy had lied at that present time and extended time to quantify his lie.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:46 GMT
#1100
It's not he might have lied or he might not. He said he had notes, he didn't post them, he extended time because he said he wouldn't be able to defend himself with 9 hours left when all we're scum reading him for is not posting his notes and then he posted them.

He lied at that point in time and the only explanation is mafia motives.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:46 GMT
#1101
Yet you said it's bad and you still have absolutely no reason to say that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:48 GMT
#1103
You're literally saying jack shit when that was perfect to focus on. How is it NOT important in the slightest?????????.?

Like wtf are you smoking
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:50 GMT
#1105
Player A lies
Player B says lie is scummy
You say lie doesn't matter
Player A makes it no longer a lie
You give no reasons why it doesn't matter when it was only scim motivated.
I call you out
You waffle on about a cop with a red check in another game and how the lie doesn't matter when it does and did

Wut
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:51 GMT
#1106
On November 02 2014 14:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
It's not important because I don't think that mafia motivation is the only reason for him not to post his notes.

I just don't feel like his notes are relevant and I feel like you're making a mountain out of a molehill.


You can't come up with any reason whatsoever why it's town motivated. At all. There's no reason to call it bad unless you have a distinct reason why he witheld his notes was towny. You don't. You're scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:53 GMT
#1108
On November 02 2014 14:52 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 14:31 Holyflare wrote:
On November 02 2014 14:17 liancourt wrote:
On November 02 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you lynch him if you like his case on kirby?? Theres like 24 hours still to reach a consensus which will easily happen in that time


His scumminess overshadows his townliness. What do you think about kirby?


I don't really think he's scummy at all


What are you trying to say? He's just playing the really bad town card?


That he's not scummy at all and isn't playing the really bad town card...? I already wrote why i didn't agree with damds case before
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 05:56 GMT
#1111
I have no words for you obi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 06:02 GMT
#1114
Like there's nothing convoluted about anything whatsoever.

Someone says they have notes
Someone asks to post notes
He doesn't post notes
People start to scum read him for no notes
He extends time because of pressure??
We make case saying this means he has no notes because he wouldn't be under pressure if he just copies the notes
You say that's bad
He posts notes after some time

Why on earth would he need to do that extension unless he was lying and buying time at that moment? There's literally nothing convoluted about this at all and many people agreed yet you somehow keep saying it means nothing whatsoever and that it's terribly far fetched and has no meaning. Like wtf.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 06:08 GMT
#1115
This won't stop until you actually explain stuff btw. You haven't elaborated on any of your points whatsoever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 02 2014 06:20 GMT
#1119
On November 02 2014 15:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 15:02 Holyflare wrote:
Like there's nothing convoluted about anything whatsoever.

Someone says they have notes
Someone asks to post notes
He doesn't post notes
People start to scum read him for no notes
He extends time because of pressure??
We make case saying this means he has no notes because he wouldn't be under pressure if he just copies the notes
You say that's bad
He posts notes after some time

Why on earth would he need to do that extension unless he was lying and buying time at that moment? There's literally nothing convoluted about this at all and many people agreed yet you somehow keep saying it means nothing whatsoever and that it's terribly far fetched and has no meaning. Like wtf.


Okay, let's try to look at this from another angle:

If he posted his notes within the allotted time he would've had without claiming/extending time, what made you think that he had to buy himself time and that he's scum because of it?

What you are saying is a convoluted way of trying to prove someone's alignment and I don't think it's a strong case. It's a straightforward series of events but it ultimately proves nothing.

Can we talk about something else now?



What are you even saying. He didn't post notes that he said he had and then increased time because he thought he would get lynched. If he posted them in the alotted time he would be towny looking and avoid any discussion. I'm pretty sure he made up about having notes and then posted them afterwards and is too scared to admit it but his notes weren't actually that bad so I'm not that wary of him (although still a reasonable amount of doubt).

The only motivation AT THAT TIME. Before he posted notes. Was scum motivation.
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