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On October 11 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0 This would make 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Alakaslam 5. Grackaroni 6. liancourt 7. KelsierSC 8. batsnacks 9. Holyflare 10. BlazingHand 11. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it.
Rofl!
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On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:07 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote:On October 11 2014 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote:
Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why.
Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours.
ok, now your vote makes sense to me.
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Good god people my filter is right there, its really easy to make a case on me. people just keep name dropping me, waiting on lia hopeless and now BS to post a case on me, if one doesn't get done soon i'll have to do it myself.
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Hopeless were you framed?
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On October 11 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:10 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Because you more than conveniently don't explain anything about like 90% of your reads and you have these 2 scum reads but nothing about them ever changes so reading these other people looks really odd from you when you don't say anything about why they're town over damd/lian being scum. It's really really strange that you have 2 scum reads but wpuld rather arbitrarily call other people town instead of pushing them I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0 This would make 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Alakaslam 5. Grackaroni 6. liancourt 7. KelsierSC 8. batsnacks 9. Holyflare 10. BlazingHand 11. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it. lets say, it was possible the system was gamed. I mean the end result is, hopeless landed on someone that has a chance to be pushed over himself. Even if its not gamed, it stands to reason that hopeless is still "trolling" by doing this rng vote, since it mimics bh rng day 1. So still makes liam reason to push hopeless kinda weak, do you agree bh
Oh yeah hopeless is 100% trolling, but it looks to me like this was a legitimate RNG. It's not like it's particularly unlikely for it to land on OWS. not sure what liam's "reasoning" is but I don't like his posting today in general.
regardless, hopeless lynch isn't even close to as good as an OWS lynch
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On October 11 2014 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Hopeless were you framed?
How te hell would he know?
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On October 11 2014 02:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred is mafia because
Grass eats the cow and the mouse causes a cat to run into a hole
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 07 2014 07:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2014 22:57 Damdred wrote:
Oats is being super weird this game and it makes my skin crawl, last time we played he got really defensive about claiming and fought against it pretty hard. That doesn't make me look good on Oats right now.
Bat you and me are friends this game! On October 06 2014 23:37 Damdred wrote:
When I first read the interchange I was pretty sure that it was a joke, but oats reactions throughout the rest of the thread is just weird. Oats why are you so defensive? I've never seen you play like this after getting called scum, you usually do not react at all just go on about your day, so whats up On October 07 2014 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Thats just how BH is, RNG IS LIFE!?!
Reading over Oats again, his frustration seems real. A few things do not line up but i'm not so sure its alignment indicative i've never been good at reading oats granted.
So are you scum reading BH Kel?
Slam. I know you just put hf as a null correct? Do you make anything of hf putting all this pressure on oats? Would it be more town or scum motivated to do everything he did? this is a pretty weird chain of events by the way, incredibly simplified and surface level! First of all you scum read him because when he played scum he did the exact same thing and then suddenly when the topic is pushed aside your read flips and his frustration is real (despite making your skin crawl originally) so much so that you overlook all the inconsistencies. Maybe so but the game is still young and reads have an ability to grow or become nonexistent. Oats overreacting still makes me feel weird, and him joking around about claiming flies in the face of what he acted like in the last mafia game I played with him when he fought really hard and called me an idiot for even suggesting it so yes it would naturally make my skin crawl. Frustration can be real as scum or as town, I do not know Oats alignment yet or have much to work off of yet and i'm bad at reading Oats. I just realize that when people get frustrated they bluster and have inconsistencies in how they type or react to it. Townies lie and can be just as inconsistant but yes oats is still on the weird side for me.
^HF raised this before. Damdred's progression re: oats is scummy.
On October 07 2014 07:11 Damdred wrote:
Kel when you get back will you tell me what he actively disturbed? Was our thread conversation that good at the time?
On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all.
Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion.
Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined):
On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes.
On October 08 2014 09:01 Damdred wrote:
OO when you catch up you have to talk to me. Right now you are a plague on the thread, if we don't kill you at this point tommorow will be ruled about the lynch that should of been, so eight now I am inclined to lynch you just so we can focus on other things tommorow.
However I don't like policy lynched, so pretend I have a gun to your head give me your best scum reads when done and we will go from their 3 would be great
Last ditch effort to get OO to produce something.
On October 08 2014 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Meh I'm going to vote for oo he hasn't tried to bleed town yet
OO gets bussed.
On October 08 2014 13:09 Damdred wrote:
BH will be insufferable now d1 with rng lynch, but he has converted me
nevermind that the RNG caught scum, damdred is more concerned that BH will be insufferable in the future. Nice.
On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life
wtfisthisidonteven. Just finished calling BH town, then invents reasons to question that read that dont even make sense.
Damdred's case on Lian today:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
Today's votecount:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2014 01:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Vote Count:
Holyflare (0): Blazinghand, Blazinghand
ObiWanShinobi (3): Blazinghand, Blazinghand, Alakaslam, hopeless1der
hopeless1der (6): Holyflare, Blazinghand, ObiWanShinobi, Grackaroni, Palmar, Damdred, liancourt
--->liancourt (1): Storrzerg<--- ^
Damdred (1): batsnacks, batsnacks |
StoreZerg (0): batsnacks
StorrZerg (0): liancourt
Alakaslam (0): batsnacks
Not Voting (1): KelsierSC
Currently hopeless1der is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Saturday, Oct 11 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Voting is Mandatory
I already commented briefly that his case only has a couple points that I consider scummy. damdred is just piling onto Lian and looking busy but is not following up, hasn't even voted for his scumread and isn't pushing his own case. He's now sitting on my wagon.
On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote:
In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then.
Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched.
Is this not the same shit that I'm being scumread for? Damdred hasn't even tried but he knows he cant get it done? Bull.
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On October 11 2014 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Hopeless were you framed?
I thought I was notactuallyredchecked redchecked?
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uh...
You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner.
so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes?
and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then?
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Don't worry, Hopeless. If we're scumreading you and Damdred for the same reasons, we can just kill both of you.
Starting with you.
Especially you.
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On October 11 2014 02:23 StorrZerg wrote:uh... Show nested quote +You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner. so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes? and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then?
HF asked if I was framed..what are you talking about?
and...yes to both questions.
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On October 11 2014 02:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Don't worry, Hopeless. If we're scumreading you and Damdred for the same reasons, we can just kill both of you.
Starting with you.
Especially you.
That is actually acceptable, if mildly disheartening.
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On October 11 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 02:23 StorrZerg wrote:uh... You are TMz. You really don't care who wins or loses, you just want to get as much press no matter how much truthiness it may have. Every night you may pm the host #delayedmediablitz PlayerName; that player will receive a media image injury (1KP) at the start of the day 1 cycle from now (eg. if you target someone on Night 1, they will be hit by 1 KP at the start of Day 3). You start with a bullet-proof vest to protect yourself from players like Plexico Burress (it takes 2 KP to kill you). You are a Third Party Poisoner. so i'm correct in assuming you wouldn't know if you have been psn'd yes? and its possible the psn could have been hit by the mafia then? HF asked if I was framed..what are you talking about? and...yes to both questions.
if vig is real, what happened in the night. O_o
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I'm asking if you got framed hopeless. Let's say for arguments sake i have the biggest red check on you I've ever seen.
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Hopeless are you claiming 3p poisoner now? before i respond to your case on me
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