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On September 27 2014 00:56 HaruRH wrote:
And if any of you are pissed i am attending worlds rather than playing d1, where i suck the most, tell me and I'll ask for a replacement immediately. I am NOT interested in answering another 'read' on using my inactivity as a scum read.
Eh, whatever. I'm not interested in lynching you today anyway. I'd really like it if you can give some clear opinions on more than 1 person today, however. Even if they're just gut reads.
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On September 27 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
Also the last I read of fecal I actually liked him so these people that are calling him scummy are super weird, superbia also called him scum because he didn't get called out....?
In fact most of superbias reads are really superficial and sheeped (the bad kind with no extra thinking) and the fact he further calls fecal scum for reading sky as scum despite having sky as one of his own scum reads IS SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY
Why do you read fecal as town? What has he done this game that you like? He pushed on sky while everyone was pushing on sky and never got called out for it, especially after his fucking weird behaviour (which I've explained before). Like you call my push superficial and sheeping, so it's quite obvious that you haven't actually read into it. What are you doing?
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Nothing really. Anything in particular you want me to look into?
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On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.
The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.
What is your opinion on Fecal?
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On September 27 2014 01:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:11 Superbia wrote:On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.
The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.
What is your opinion on Fecal? I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet.
Eh, fair enough. Can you read my case on him and his filter before EoD?
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On September 27 2014 01:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:08 Superbia wrote:
Nothing really. Anything in particular you want me to look into? filter diving him now. only recalled 1 thing he said. figured i needed to update myself on him.
I'll read more into his filter later (have to go soon).
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HF, what the fuck dude. Read the fucking context (AND READ MY FILTER). I've explained before why I feel Storr is town, him backing off just adds to that. Bats is just like "yeah I guess we should back off like Storr said" (not exact quote) so no, he doesn't get fucking town points for that. Yeah, maybe my "skydragon flips town -> bats is probably scum" read is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's completely uncalled for here. Furthermore, it's for a later point in time anyway so I'm expecting to have a better read on bats then anyway.
If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds:
Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard.
Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this.
Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD.
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Got a bit heated, my apologies. I really wanted to interact with palmar and dive JAT's filter before I had to go. Whatever, I can see your point but next time please just ask instead of making a wall which I have to read and respond to. Like if you just ask "why are you reading storr as town and bats as scum for x" then I could've just responded and continued playing. Whatever, let's move on. I'll be back before EoD.
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On September 27 2014 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:
"Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard."
Also, this logic is way, way off.
Ugh real quick then, why?
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On September 27 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:41 Superbia wrote:On September 27 2014 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:
"Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard."
Also, this logic is way, way off. Ugh real quick then, why? Because you simply can't tell if at least one scum is jumping in the wagon. It could be pure town. Here, you're basically saying that there is one scum and that scum is batsnacks, when you should say batsnacks is scum, therefore, there is 1 scum in that wagon.
This is just how I feel about it at the moment. I feel there is a high chance that a scum voted there and I'm happy to read it as such at this point in time. I made a similar read last game and I got shit for it as well. Guess what? I was right. If we lynch Sky we either hit scum or we (or at least I) get information from the push on him. Though at this point I would rather lynch Fecal because I have a much heavier scumread on him than I have on Sky. Now there are people in my room annoying me to go with them so now I'm really gone.
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All right, I'm back. Let me explain my read on StorrZerg one last time. I'm pretty confident in hard-reading him from d2+ (it has to do with proactivity). This does not mean I can't have any other reads on him, nor does it mean that is my only read on him. I feel like Storr is town already, simply based on how proactive he is (and his pushes make sense). The thousand town points I gave him are arbitrary, but him giving Sky some space felt very town to me. I was reading him town before this, however.
On September 27 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent.
This is actually a really good point. I can't believe I missed this. I feel a lot better about bats now.
Going to read the rest of the thread now and do some diving on JAT. If there are any other questions feel free to ask them, I'm no longer in a rush.
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On September 27 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 27 2014 01:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 00:18 Superbia wrote:
This is currently my world:
Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.
Null (but special):
batsnacks - His push on GB read town to me. But then he pushes on Sky which is really fucking easy at that point in time. He does instantly back off as soon as Storr does. This might just be scum trying to buddy up by sheeping Storr, which would mean that Sky is town. As such, I'm ready to put bats on my scum list if Sky flips town (which means I'm decently happy to lynch Sky today).
Palmar - Palmar trying to take charge of town is scaring the shit out of me. Where was this Palmar last game? What changed? I like his Hopeless push, it's someone who I've felt might be scummy as well. But ugh. Does anyone have any information on Palmar's scumplay with links and shit? Because at this rate I'm never going to have a good read on him unless we lynch hopeless and he flips scum, which I'm not convinced about at this point in time.
Palmar, what is your opinion on FF? Have you read what I've said about him? If so, what do you think?
Scum:
Fecalfeast - Read still the same, he hasn't done anything significant since I've given this read except go on Sky, which seems like a very fucking easy lynch/push at that point. The fact that no one else has pinged you out for this is also really weird. Scum should be on your fucking ass for this shit, but no one is. You're scum.
SkyDragon (leaning) - You've been given some space, I'm expecting you to use this space before the EoD to come up with some good content. Failure to do so means I lynch you.
Hopeless (leaning) - Palmar has given a decent push on hopeless already. His filter feels devoid of any kind of proactivity. Why are you fine with sitting back and just giving comments? Fucking do something (see below). I would also really like to see you start a push on someone. I'd prefer lynching FF and Sky (if he keeps lurking) over hopeless right now, but I think we have a somewhat decent shot of hitting scum here if we want to go down this path.
At this point I would like a town/scum circle/list from the following people before EoD:
- Hopeless1der
- Glowingbear
- ObiWanShinobi
- HaruRH
- FecalFeast
- Batsnacks
- justanothertownie
- StorrZerg
##Vote: FecalFeast Just going to go out there and say this is almost the worst post in the thread. I said before and apparently superbia just criticised me for not reading it so I'll show you why it's ultimately terrible. First and foremost, his read on storr is so weird because it relies on storr stopping pushing on his scum read because a lot of pressure was on the scum read (many people have actually done this but superbia only focuses on storr here for no reason). Secondly, his null reads on Batsnacks and Palmar. Not only is his read on batsnacks super duper supppperrrr wishy washy it is ridiculous. He gives town points to storr for backing off on skydragon but then when batsnacks has supposedly posted towny things (in superbia's eyes) and then does the same thing as storr batsnacks could be scummy!?!?!? Not only that but then he further adds the scummiest thing ever in this paragraph that if skydragon flips town that batsnacks is scum. This is so uncalled for and makes so little sense that it screams scummy to me. His Palmar read is meh and he can't be bothered to research it for himself but it's not really anything to care about other than him only being able to trust palmar if hopeless flips mafia despite palmar pushing several people and not just hopeless. Now. Shit gets scummy. Not only does superbia scum read skydragon but throughout this entire post he has been saying people are scummy for scum reading and pressuring skydragon. Not only should this be contradictory to his own thought process but instead he should be determining the opposite reads, that the people pressuring his scum reads are more towny. Apparently just because he pressured sky when everyone else did fecal becomes somehow the scummiest out of EVERYONE in the game that did the same thing. Despite still scum reading sky. He also uses some crap about nobody calling him out for it which doesn't make any sense because what he has posted hasn't been too bad when I looked at it. Hopeless read is.... not really a read but w/e On September 27 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:35 Superbia wrote:
HF, what the fuck dude. Read the fucking context (AND READ MY FILTER). I've explained before why I feel Storr is town, him backing off just adds to that. Bats is just like "yeah I guess we should back off like Storr said" (not exact quote) so no, he doesn't get fucking town points for that. Yeah, maybe my "skydragon flips town -> bats is probably scum" read is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's completely uncalled for here. Furthermore, it's for a later point in time anyway so I'm expecting to have a better read on bats then anyway.
If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds:
Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard.
Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this.
Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD. The red is just a flat out lie: Show nested quote +
StorrZerg gets a daypass for today! Reason is quite simple, I've seen Storr's scum game twice now (last game and watching mafia all-stars) and I'm pretty confident in identifying it (d2+).
can't read till day 2 ^ Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 07:43 Superbia wrote:
Why would I even consider Storr today if I feel I can easily read him during later days?
Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch? ^ not considering today can read later Show nested quote +Storr is scum: d1 he fools me, probably gets a misslynch. d2 I probably get a scumread on him and want to kill him.
Storr is town: d1 gets a pass, d2 I probably read him as town this day and rest of all days to come. ^ he will fool you on day 1 and day 2 you can read him thennnnnnnnnnnnnnn Show nested quote +Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+. magically your town read evolves out of nothing and he gets 1000 town points for doing something relatively straightforward but apparently you've already explained how he he is town and now you just get angry when I know your filter better than yourself The rest of your post is exactly what I was talking about before, you're living in a super world where sky flips town and making associations based on that despite him not flipping, yet, for some reason, the alternative isn't worth your time exploring despite being an easier thing to do. ESPECIALLY as you're scum reading sky so that should be the universe you are living in. On September 27 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent. here is everything so you can pay attention now and comment on more than just his useless town read of you because it is so so so much more than that
Do you feel there is anything I haven't responded to yet?
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Also why did you link to my newbie game's filter but not my more recent game's filter?
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On September 27 2014 01:19 Palmar wrote:
where the hell is your case on FF?
Btw, I started his filter, and he seems to have a pretty casual/joking attitude early game. Sure it's easy to fake as mafia, but I'm not sure it makes him one, but I'm only like 1/3 through.
My first big post elaborates on his behaviour and how I feel he's being two contradictory things at the same time (confident and apologetic). After this post the only thing he does is join in on an easy push on Sky, which is very easy and just nothing. I feel like he isn't being proactive and he isn't trying to find scum. He can only get scummier if he actually hard claims mafia.
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On September 27 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 04:14 Superbia wrote:All right, I'm back. Let me explain my read on StorrZerg one last time. I'm pretty confident in hard-reading him from d2+ (it has to do with proactivity). This does not mean I can't have any other reads on him, nor does it mean that is my only read on him. I feel like Storr is town already, simply based on how proactive he is (and his pushes make sense). The thousand town points I gave him are arbitrary, but him giving Sky some space felt very town to me. I was reading him town before this, however. On September 27 2014 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Also your main scum read was fecalfeast who you said was jumping all over skydragon yet your choice of one scum jumping on skydragon was seemingly batsnacks who actually pulled off of skydragon. It's mindbogglingly inconsistent. This is actually a really good point. I can't believe I missed this. I feel a lot better about bats now. Going to read the rest of the thread now and do some diving on JAT. If there are any other questions feel free to ask them, I'm no longer in a rush. It's very weird that you decide to make a list post, which is already pretty inconsistent with what you were doing in your newbie game before but then NOT include everything about the player that you are town reading or scum reading is it not? It is also particularly strange that you stated you had given reasons for storr being town previously but you had not at all. So really, the only reason in your filter for storr being town is his leaving pressure off of skydragon. It is only now that you are retroactively adding things on. You've also neglected to comment on why you decided it was best to live in worlds where scum were likely to be pressuring skydragon repeatedly when you are scum reading skydragon yourself. If you are scum reading this person then why are you scum reading people for continuing to pressure their scum read......? Why aren't you instead dismissing any potential world where skydragon flips mafia. Your entire reads are based off of him flipping town pretty much.
At this point I'm not going to elaborate on my read on Storr until at least EoD2. I don't want him to know how I read him in case he's still scum here, which I will probably know by the end of d2. Also this is my 4th game of mafia ever (3rd game of forum mafia), I'm not going to stick to the same style as I did during my newbie game. Like my last game wasn't even the same as my newbie game.
I'm not sure about Sky being scum dude. I don't have a hard read on him. As such I'm going to live in both worlds until he actually flips. So yes, I will look ahead and contemplate on what might happen. I felt like him flipping town would give me the most info as there were a lot of people pushing on him, so I was focusing on that world. As soon as a multitude of people just straight up joined in on the push I felt very iffy about it. Don't get me wrong, I still think he might be scum, but I didn't like how a lot of people just straight up joined the push.
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On September 27 2014 04:24 Holyflare wrote:
Why are***** you instead dismissing any potential world where skydragon flips mafia. Your entire reads are based off of him flipping town pretty much.
Just elaborated on this.
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On September 27 2014 04:34 HaruRH wrote:
Right, everyone should switch to superbia now. He basically claimed scum.
???
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Looking into JAT right now. Haru, care to elaborate?
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Haru, I've literally explained my read on the whole Sky situation like 10 minutes ago. The type of contradiction is also important. I feel like Fecal is acting really confident, but at the same time he still apologizes a lot. This does not make any sense to me and it just fucking stands out. I didn't feel his post on Sky was that good. Specifically it seemed to me like he was just echoing reads (like I already pointed out the weird "seer come spy on me" and the "third person" weirdness in bats' push). It was also ill timed (as I have explained before, MANY TIMES). Like I don't give a shit if it's low-hanging fruit, I think he's scummy and I want to see him lynched.
I've taught children English, but this is more frustrating.
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All right, I've read JAT's filter and he's actually a big fucking question mark to me at the moment and I don't like it. He seems somewhat town and I find myself agreeing with most of his "reads" (i.e. Storr town, Sky scummy), but idk, it all feels very vanilla. It also feels like he has done nothing really proactive yet, and he even says I am also a superactive player but it is really hard to post/get something going this game for some reason. which feels like fucking bullshit to me. I don't know if this has to do with his travel or what, but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a wagon on him tomorrow. He's either lazy town or scum.
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