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On August 12 2014 20:45 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 20:14 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 19:51 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you? Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier). He hasn't really done anything besides that though. The opening post isn't townie at all. Doing completely nothing and asking to sheep somebody works as scum. I have done it in Normal Mini Mafia LVI. Him going after KoC is completely wrong. This screams of scum jumping on something delicious. I'm caught up. I don't really care how many minutes apart his quad post was. I think his questions show a "this is what I -can- comment on" mindset. Not a "this is what I -should be- commenting on" mindset. Even if people do respond to those questions, the responses will be really spread out, nothing is going to get done. They are questions for the sake of questions. He even said "I don't know if these have been asked already." He could have just written the questions down, waited until he finished reading, and then ask them all at once if they had in fact not been answered. 1 page filter. Well, it could be that I'm overthinking stuff, but as I said, I don't think I've ever seen scum open in a way that brings them no benefits and only gathers negative attention. Perhaps batsnacks is just an extremely lazy scum and doesn't care about his appearance... but I prefer to believe that it's more of a townie attitude, I guess. Could you make your towncase on KoC? Since it also affects how to read batsnacks a bit. (If KoC turns out to be town, it makes batsnacks look a bit worse) Actually curious how does bat being wrong on KoC make it worse? Townies are allowed to be wrong completely and it happens often and usually isn't alignment oriented (being wrong or not)
It just means that batsnacks looks better if KoC flips scum than the other way around (I doubt they would be scum together atm).
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On August 12 2014 20:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 20:14 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 19:51 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you? Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier). He hasn't really done anything besides that though. The opening post isn't townie at all. Doing completely nothing and asking to sheep somebody works as scum. I have done it in Normal Mini Mafia LVI. Him going after KoC is completely wrong. This screams of scum jumping on something delicious. I'm caught up. I don't really care how many minutes apart his quad post was. I think his questions show a "this is what I -can- comment on" mindset. Not a "this is what I -should be- commenting on" mindset. Even if people do respond to those questions, the responses will be really spread out, nothing is going to get done. They are questions for the sake of questions. He even said "I don't know if these have been asked already." He could have just written the questions down, waited until he finished reading, and then ask them all at once if they had in fact not been answered. 1 page filter. Well, it could be that I'm overthinking stuff, but as I said, I don't think I've ever seen scum open in a way that brings them no benefits and only gathers negative attention. Perhaps batsnacks is just an extremely lazy scum and doesn't care about his appearance... but I prefer to believe that it's more of a townie attitude, I guess. Could you make your towncase on KoC? Since it also affects how to read batsnacks a bit. (If KoC turns out to be town, it makes batsnacks look a bit worse) I somewhere want him to post a bit more before I really townread him. Just read this town game and compare it to this scum game. I think it gives him space till D2.
Hm yeah... He does ask a lot of questions there as town too, and doesn't come to many conclusions early on. Perhaps it's just the way he plays. As scum he seems to be a lot less active.
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Not really feeling the KoC lynch anymore... And not MM1 either.
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On August 12 2014 20:59 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 19:51 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you? Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier). He hasn't really done anything besides that though. k but this line of thinking is fairly obvious. scum know that. So "who to sheep" is something scum might say just because people will read it tooscummytobescum, and less overtly scummy, serious koc like questions become the new tooscummytobescum.
That's some serious WIFOM  I've thought about that before, but never actually done it as scum. Since as town it's a lot easier to get away with gathering early pressure. As scum it's harder to react.
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On August 12 2014 21:07 Mages wrote:
So if we don't get seven votes today, nobody is lynched, is that correct?
Yeah, and that isn't really a good option. At the very least we should policy lynch the least useful player if nothing else, or this will never go anywhere. Hopefully we can agree to a decent candidate though.
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On August 12 2014 21:09 Koshi wrote:
batsnacks.
I have know him to be pretty good town in TL Order.
I have know him to be pretty batshit insane town in Titanic.
I have observed him being pretty batshit insane town in Showdown.
I have known him to be pretty shady/ghostly scum in Storm.
Do I know him from somewhere else? I don't think so.
1) This game he is ghostly. He started the game with activity excuses. He repeated these activity excuses somewhere else in his filter. The excuses came out of nowhere really.
2) His jumping on KoCs is not consistent with how he is approaching the game. Suddenly he is 100% certain on a scum.
3) 1 page filter.
4) Awkward stuff around the Damdred previous game stuff. Just awkward. Nothing insane about it.
This is all out of memory. Somebody should really look at those posts I quote about him. Ugh, people are townreading him and I don't know why.
I don't really like the KoC vote either... It's a bit sudden to just go 100% scum on him based on little evidence after doing nothing before. A more townie mindset would be to try and figure stuff out rather than settling on one target and just leaving it at that.
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In the end, batsnacks does look pretty scummy, if you don't consider the scum survival instinct. It's just that the "too scummy to be scum" argument has never failed me before 
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Well, I don't really mind seeing batsnacks gone, and there's a chance that he is scum. So why not lynch him unless he steps up.
##Vote batsnacks
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I'm sorry, but I heavily doubt that I would get lynched. I haven't been lynched as town in like 2 years, I think.
Onegu, could you explain your read on rayn in more detail?
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Like, I don't think he's a good lynch, but I'm not really sold on him being town yet...
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On August 12 2014 21:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 19:44 HaruRH wrote:
2)batsnacks is universally scumread by everyone (sn0,rayn,koshi,kush). Nobody have townread bat so far.
Harurh, Show me where rayn reads batsnacks as scum.
He basically said that everyone except KoC, Haru, batsnacks and VE feel town. Not exactly a scumread but close to it.
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You should read too, rayn. I didn't say that you called batsnacks scum. Just that you don't townread him unlike you do most other players, which makes him a potential lynch candidate to you by process of elimination. At least logically. Thus "not exactly a scumread but close to it".
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Huh, that's true. Then I admit my mistake. However, that's the only "lie" I made yet, Koshi, so you should stop saying that already.
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Besides, why is that a big deal? Anyone can make a small mistake while writing a bunch of text. I have no idea why that makes Haru scum.
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Haha. I can't really follow Haru's reads either though... Haru, could you explain your reads better?
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(Dunno why mentioning rayn there makes him scum still)
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On August 12 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 22:16 onevone wrote:
Huh, that's true. Then I admit my mistake. However, that's the only "lie" I made yet, Koshi, so you should stop saying that already. hahahahaha↓ Show nested quote +TheKingOfTheCats was clearly following the thread for several hours and keeping up with the events less than 2 pages in game, only 1 event, KoC didn't ignore that event. Show nested quote +It's called pressure and also "beggars can't be choosers" Would you rather still be talking about Avatar.. I prefer to talk about potential scum. When pressured about why you put a 4th vote on mm1 without any basis.
Here we go again... At least the amount of points is reduced by now.
1) I just don't get it. Why does it matter if it was only 2 pages in game? Where am I even saying any lie? The fact still remains that he was around, at least to some extent, for several hours / 2 pages and all he did was post those two small questions. Now I can understand that it might be just his general playstyle after looking at his earlier towngame, but at the time I was only answering VE's question about why was I more interested in KoC over Onegu and I had no idea about KoC's meta back then. So there's no contradiction, no lie, nothing. It's simply a short answer to VE's question that is absolutely devoid of lies.
2) A) The vote wasn't "without any basis". Now you're lying..... Sigh. B) I don't see what's wrong with putting your vote on your only, although weak, scumread. C) It's just objectively better to talk about wagons than to talk off-topic. My vote didn't move the discussion away from Avatar, no, but certainly it was more constructive to the discussion than delaying my vote and talking about something less relevant. It's just plain good to move your vote around according to your opinions.
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On August 12 2014 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't totes agree with you. In his town game he actually reaches to some conclusions. In his scumgame he doesn't. He talks about irrelevant stuff. While you are right in that he asks way more questions in his town game i don't see how this looks like his town game at all (because the questions are dumb - not thought out - and there are zero conclusions at all).
Maybe... But this still looks closer to his towngame IMO. I hope he starts actually doing something with all of his questions though.
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On August 12 2014 22:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 21:46 onevone wrote:
I'm sorry, but I heavily doubt that I would get lynched. I haven't been lynched as town in like 2 years, I think.
Onegu, could you explain your read on rayn in more detail? Like not really, i really go off of feeling with rayn and try to figure out if he means what he says and what he is asking. And at this point I believe him and get no feelings the other way.
And you're always correct?
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