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On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell. By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy.
It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum.
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On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface:
You could try taking an active role instead of making semi-useful comments here and there :/
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Plus no matter what, rayn just casually saying "Mages is town" does little to further any kind of objective. Perhaps asking someone of their read on Mages might have effect instead.
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On August 12 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:37 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: Do you see why Mages is town? I see why you and rayn are asserting that. I'm not sure I agree that his posts are so "town mindset genuine" etc that he deserves a hard townread. Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:38 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: You could try taking an active role instead of making semi-useful comments here and there :/ Not really no
Well then, what do you think of MM1, me and VE?
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On August 12 2014 00:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:37 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:29 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell. By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum". I agree with rayn. It would be helpful if you could tell us why Mages his play is most likely coming from town. Why should rayn tell you the answers to the game? rayn is testing others if they pay attention. Why are you not paying attention? Spoilered because I am bored talking about this: + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2014 00:28 onevone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote? Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there. Yeah you are scum. There is no reason for you to bring up again that somebody talked about Avatar in the 5 first posts of the game when everybody at that time was talking about Avatar. It is completely null that when there are people talking about watching Avatar, there is another guy who chimes in and says "I also watch avatar". There is no fucking way that you can add him talking about Avatar to something else and come to the conclusion he is scum or scummy. It's you who isn't paying attention, since I explained my town lean on Mages in one of my first posts + I've repeatedly said that the sentence about Avatar wasn't a reason for him being scum. Stop lieing. Here are your reads: Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
So, here are my brief observations from the early posts (any topics I took the effort to write down):
1) Mages
Started the game by downplaying himself, which might be new/nervous town or scummy avoiding of attention. Continued to express his thoughts after that, which makes me lean town, especially since he wasn't just following the flow of the thread but rather tried to bring his own thoughts to the discussion. Especially as a new scum player it would be somewhat hard/risky to post like that.
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
The bolded is for both people the same. They downplay their game. BUT, the green stuff makes Mages a townread for you. While the red stuff made MM1 a scumread for you. Clearly Avatar talk made MM1 more scummy to you. If you say that it never did, I am just calling scumhunting for this day and make sure you are lynched. Maybe you were an overzealous townie, maybe, but don't tell me you weren't scumreading MM1 partly because he talked about Avatar. Because you did.
Ugh... Just stop already. Even rayn conceded this stupid point right away despite pushing me with anything he could otherwise.
You're simply inserting your own fantasies and theories into my post. Maybe my post wasn't 100% clear, but there's no way you can say from that that my reason for scumreading him was that he posted about Avatar. It's simply stupid. I only added that sentence as a short addition to the fact that they both downplayed themselves, while MM1 also talked about Avatar, but I didn't say that made him scum.... Only that he downplayed himself and talked a bit about Avatar. What's so hard to understand?
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On August 12 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:44 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: Do you see why Mages is town? I see why you and rayn are asserting that. I'm not sure I agree that his posts are so "town mindset genuine" etc that he deserves a hard townread. On August 12 2014 00:38 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: You could try taking an active role instead of making semi-useful comments here and there :/ Not really no Well then, what do you think of MM1, me and VE? I didn't like MM1's thread entry but I've been somehwat persuaded otherwise. Ur annoying. And I don't know who you are. And ur wrong about a lot. But Koshi and rayn are blowing some things wayyyyy out of proportion and it makes it hard to properly think about the case vs you since there are definitely good parts in it that are being obscured by silly arguments. VE entered the thread in a fun manner that I liked but that is also admittedly not particularly alignment indicative. I disliked his MM1 vote.
You're townreading MM1 now or only don't dislike his entry anymore?
What exactly am I wrong about?
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On August 12 2014 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:55 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:44 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: Do you see why Mages is town? I see why you and rayn are asserting that. I'm not sure I agree that his posts are so "town mindset genuine" etc that he deserves a hard townread. On August 12 2014 00:38 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: You could try taking an active role instead of making semi-useful comments here and there :/ Not really no Well then, what do you think of MM1, me and VE? I didn't like MM1's thread entry but I've been somehwat persuaded otherwise. Ur annoying. And I don't know who you are. And ur wrong about a lot. But Koshi and rayn are blowing some things wayyyyy out of proportion and it makes it hard to properly think about the case vs you since there are definitely good parts in it that are being obscured by silly arguments. VE entered the thread in a fun manner that I liked but that is also admittedly not particularly alignment indicative. I disliked his MM1 vote. You're townreading MM1 now or only don't dislike his entry anymore? What exactly am I wrong about? I dislike his entry less, we'll put it that way. It's still open to further reading pending more of him actually posting. things ur wrong about: Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 22:07 onevone wrote:
I think it's more fitting of scum rayn to make these generally meaningless comments on other posts. He's usually more focused as town. I'm too lazy to get more. He's plenty focused this game and playing normally.
You have to take into account that I posted that before rayn started posting on me. Before that he was just posting non-content one-liners like these:
On August 11 2014 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I make my cases in 10 posts. What does that make me?
On August 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:28 onevone wrote:Oh, I guess not. Unless you've been waiting for hours  What's the purpose of this all?
It's a bit unfair to say that I'm "wrong about a lot" without even showing me anything I've been wrong about :/
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On August 12 2014 01:05 Mages wrote:I think Koshi is good at least because of his ideas on the duality of downplaying between me and MM not being completely sound, how we both downplayed reasonably the same yet one of us was chosen as evil simply because of fluff. I had asked Kush at the beginning to tell me about himself so i could get to know him a wee bit better, the way he responded didn't look so nice. Note : Bolds are mine to draw attention to the crux of my discussion. Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 08:39 Mages wrote:
Well, being that I'm new, i really don't know anybody except Damdred. I'll go ahead and share a little about myself. I'm Old, Fatherly, Tech Support Genus, and attended college for English & Chinese. When it comes to talking, I'm a little reserved normally, I blame introversion and being ridiculed by girls! My hobbies include living peacefully and camping - camping for the win. Who else wants to share? How about you. Kush? Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn-no spamin
ve-nice to see you again. i love you <3
MysteryMeat1-wasup cutie
Damdred-hii there
onevone-who teh fuck are you
koc-awww yeahs omgus represent
Mages-who the fuck are you, guy
koshi-please dont rage bro
batsnacks-remember damdred, lol
Sn0_Man-wb
Onegu-how's thailand or whatever
HaruRH-u are one sketchy mofo
and so ends the most comprehensively useless post of all time
So, Koshi's fine to me, Kush is a little bit more suspicious because of hostility, and Onevone im gonna need a little bit more time on.
It's not because of fluff, it's because you continued to post your own ideas in the thread while MM1 just trashed himself and disappeared. If you had only posted that downplaying opening post, I would have put you on about the same level of suspiciousness as MM1 (that is: could be scum?).
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On August 12 2014 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
But Koshi and rayn are blowing some things wayyyyy out of proportion and it makes it hard to properly think about the case vs you since there are definitely good parts in it that are being obscured by silly arguments.
Can you tell me what i have taken "way out of proportion"? I thought my case was pretty clear. He posts stuff that doesn't need to be posted - in fact there should be no reason to post that stuff. He doesn't really think anyone is town or mafia but he is still kinda saying so. Also if you think there are good points against onevone why are you holding your vote? Can you tell what those good point in your mind are? Or do you think one/both of me or Koshi are mafia pushing a townie lynch?
What about your own useless one-liners though  Not that it makes you scum.
It's pretty stupid to say that someone is 100% town or scum early D1.
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On August 12 2014 01:14 Sn0_Man wrote:better get that bandwagon started on such strong basis as "could be scum?"
It's called pressure and also "beggars can't be choosers" Would you rather still be talking about Avatar.. I prefer to talk about potential scum.
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On August 12 2014 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:06 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:55 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:44 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:37 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: Do you see why Mages is town? I see why you and rayn are asserting that. I'm not sure I agree that his posts are so "town mindset genuine" etc that he deserves a hard townread. On August 12 2014 00:38 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 00:33 onevone wrote:
Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread. Nobody talks to me so :shrugface: You could try taking an active role instead of making semi-useful comments here and there :/ Not really no Well then, what do you think of MM1, me and VE? I didn't like MM1's thread entry but I've been somehwat persuaded otherwise. Ur annoying. And I don't know who you are. And ur wrong about a lot. But Koshi and rayn are blowing some things wayyyyy out of proportion and it makes it hard to properly think about the case vs you since there are definitely good parts in it that are being obscured by silly arguments. VE entered the thread in a fun manner that I liked but that is also admittedly not particularly alignment indicative. I disliked his MM1 vote. You're townreading MM1 now or only don't dislike his entry anymore? What exactly am I wrong about? I dislike his entry less, we'll put it that way. It's still open to further reading pending more of him actually posting. things ur wrong about: On August 11 2014 22:07 onevone wrote:
I think it's more fitting of scum rayn to make these generally meaningless comments on other posts. He's usually more focused as town. I'm too lazy to get more. He's plenty focused this game and playing normally. You have to take into account that I posted that before rayn started posting on me. Before that he was just posting non-content one-liners like these: On August 11 2014 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I make my cases in 10 posts. What does that make me? On August 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 11 2014 21:27 onevone wrote:
You still here Koshi? On August 11 2014 21:28 onevone wrote:Oh, I guess not. Unless you've been waiting for hours What's the purpose of this all? It's a bit unfair to say that I'm "wrong about a lot" without even showing me anything I've been wrong about :/ Both of those are perfectly valid questions. First one says "explain your read/vote on VE?", the second one says "why do you post stuff that does not push the thread forwards in any case?". Just because you can't see why i post the stuff i do doesn't make it meaningless. It makes you bad or mafia. As you are a smurf and i think you know how this game works AND i think you know how i play i think it makes you mafia.
I'm really starting to get tired of simply asking if someone is online being scummy. It's just null. If I labelled everyone who ever made posts like that as scum, then generally over 50% players in a Mafia game would be scum.
Okay, actually Koshi answered your question there, although it didn't lead to anything changing in the discussion. Still I don't think it was wrong to say that you make more vague one-liner question like that as scum, at least in my experience.
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On August 12 2014 01:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:25 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 01:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:11 onevone wrote:
could be scum? better get that bandwagon started on such strong basis as "could be scum?" It's called pressure and also "beggars can't be choosers" Would you rather still be talking about Avatar.. I prefer to talk about potential scum. Nothing ever indicated that the avatar talk was going to go further than the 6 or so posts made about it. Again you misrepresent things to push an agenda / idea.
I didn't mean it like this: "We'd be still talking about Avatar if we weren't talking about MM1." But like this: "It's never bad to put on pressure and force people to react to wagons."
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On August 12 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:30 Sn0_Man wrote:On August 12 2014 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
But Koshi and rayn are blowing some things wayyyyy out of proportion and it makes it hard to properly think about the case vs you since there are definitely good parts in it that are being obscured by silly arguments.
Can you tell me what i have taken "way out of proportion"? I thought my case was pretty clear. He posts stuff that doesn't need to be posted - in fact there should be no reason to post that stuff. He doesn't really think anyone is town or mafia but he is still kinda saying so. Also if you think there are good points against onevone why are you holding your vote? Can you tell what those good point in your mind are? Or do you think one/both of me or Koshi are mafia pushing a townie lynch? Surely you remember how differently we read things. The real "blowing things out of proportion" push was koshi's but regardless, a quick example of a post of yours that I think is pushing on the wrong fronts On August 11 2014 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's go through your post:
1) read on Mages. You gave him a townread without actually saying you think he is town and instead worded it another way around which kinda makes me think you don't want to call him town for some reason.
2) read on MM1. weak read and there is nothing scummy MM1 has said so far. In fact i don't even believe you think MM1 is mafia because you end the sentence with "He is the best vote so far".
3) null read on Koshi - why?
4) null read on VE - why?
1) I don't give "town" reads early either. I say things like "I like x's posting" etc. Words like "town" are strong, to me. 2) wats the issue with "so far"? Literally every early day-1 vote is obivously a "so far" vote unless you somehow can't unvote. I do now agree that the read was responded to well by koshi regarding MM1 clearly trying to foster a helpful thread environment which isn't something that I saw earlier, which means that I don't like his weak bandwagon vote here anymore. 3/4) Null reads early day 1 are more a lack of a read than "clearly null", unless theres been some serious discussion. Basically you just push on points that I don't agree with. Koshi has some sensible ideas and some I don't agree with as well, but I wasn't about to defend 1v1 on the silly points until he'd given a long accounting for himself (which I feel like he has by now). PS: anybody know who posts infinite smily faces in threads? 1v1 keeps doing it and its both annoying and suck-up-ish. 1) Yeah i know you don't. You also don't waste time telling why people could be town without actually saying so - which is my point. 2) The issue is townies vote for people who they think are mafia. If you don't think someone is mafia you don't vote for them. Right? Unless you want to pressure them, but clearly that's not the case here. If someone says (in fact onevone said) "i think he is not a bad vote so far" do you think that guy thinks the other guy is mafia? For real? Easy vote - safe vote - looks like contributing (all of this post) - easy to back off later on. 3/4) the problem is this does not achieve anything. It's just filler. Null-redas. What's the purpose of saying "i think this and this guy are null"??? Especially in a post where you VOTE for someone. really, could you go read the post again and tell me what it actually says?
What's inconclusive about saying Mages is a town lean? I think it's pretty conclusive, for an early read.
Again, it's really hard to have a strong scumread early D1. You have stated one and it's completely wrong. I've stated a weak read and it could be wrong, but at least it's not grossly wrong like yours since I never stated that it was strong to begin with.
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On August 12 2014 01:41 Koshi wrote:
The pro town move was to attack the 3 votes on mm1 and not sheep the bad wagon on him. Even if you somewhere believed he was scum. That would have been the hero town play.
Why? If MM1 is indeed scum, it's a delicious opportunity to gather scum reactions. If he's town, it's also an opportunity to gather suspicious moves. It's definitely better than everyone holding their vote until the end. Attacking the wagon would achieve just that. Plus I don't even have a weak scumread on anyone else.
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On August 12 2014 01:46 Koshi wrote:
It is hard to have a strong scumread d1? I always got strong scumreads d1. Thia guys is hilarious.
It's easy to have strong reads, it's harder to have strong reads with them being equally strongly correct.
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Honestly I'm a bit surprised nobody guessed who I am yet.
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On August 12 2014 01:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 01:48 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 01:41 Koshi wrote:
The pro town move was to attack the 3 votes on mm1 and not sheep the bad wagon on him. Even if you somewhere believed he was scum. That would have been the hero town play. Why? If MM1 is indeed scum, it's a delicious opportunity to gather scum reactions. If he's town, it's also an opportunity to gather suspicious moves. It's definitely better than everyone holding their vote until the end. Attacking the wagon would achieve just that. Plus I don't even have a weak scumread on anyone else. Because by attacking the voters you bring life in the thread. People need to post opinions. The suspicion on mm1 and his "buddy" scummers was already casted by the initial 3. By attacking the 3 you also put suspicion on those 3 so that nobody can hide. No need to talk about it anymore though. Time for hero play is over. Nobody took it. Maybe I did as first by attacking you. What would have happened if I also voted for mm1 to gather reactions from him and his scumbuddies? We for sure wouldnt have seen your reasoning for voting mm1 is empty. Could you please rewrite why you are still voting mm1 or why you were voting mm1? Why was his case on VE not good? I am still interested in that. It is the only reason why you are voting him not? And the avatar+downplaying stuff.
Stop with the Avatar stuff already. It's an abyss of logical reasoning.
My vote on MM1 was weak, not "empty". It's simply for the facts that he downplayed his own abilities for (more likely) scummy motives and reacted very strongly to the votes on him, immediately putting together a case full of meta and conjecture - the feeling I have is that scum would be more likely to react strongly to pressure. It's all closer to null than scummy, which is why I never said that it was a strong read. But I don't currently really see anything better either, which is why my vote is still on him. It's not like it has to remain there until the lynch.
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On August 12 2014 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
@1v1:
Alright back to hypothetical land.
MM1 gets modkilled on the spot, no flip till night post. (basically this is just "you can't vote for him"). who would you like to lynch? Also reasons.
I was actually just going through the player list. It seems like a lot of players haven't really posted anything worth thinking about yet.
I don't think anyone else jumps out in a way that makes me think "he could be scum". There are a lot of bland questions and jokey posts that don't say much at all. Those could be coming either from town or scum, it's really hard to tell.
Earlier I disliked your vague existence in the thread, but you've taken a bit more active role recently, so I don't feel like I'd want to lynch you now.
Who would *you* want to lynch atm? Me?
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I'd like to believe that he, as scum, would at least somehow care about his appearance though. Usually those players who do whatever they want end up being town.
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