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On August 11 2014 22:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
##Vote MysteryMeat1
onevone, Can you type more words about the 2 bolded segments. Proof it.
On August 11 2014 07:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Ya i really liked the original Avatar, but thought the first season of korra was pretty meh.
I swear that asami looks like wonder woman though...
"Proof"  (Btw nothing particularly scummy about the fact that he posted about Avatar, it was just a note that he didn't only trash himself in his first posts.)
The VE case didn't really say much because it didn't anyhow convince me that VE is scum. The first point about VE's opening post is just... nothing. The second point doesn't really do anything to make VE scum either. The third point could be possibly scummy(?), but I can't know because it's a subjective meta reason that is uncertain at best... Nothing worth calling VE as a scumread at least...
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On August 11 2014 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's go through your post:
1) read on Mages. You gave him a townread without actually saying you think he is town and instead worded it another way around which kinda makes me think you don't want to call him town for some reason.
2) read on MM1. weak read and there is nothing scummy MM1 has said so far. In fact i don't even believe you think MM1 is mafia because you end the sentence with "He is the best vote so far".
3) null read on Koshi - why?
4) null read on VE - why?
So you did not really have any opinions on anything except for the read on MM1 which i strongly disagree with. There has been a lot of talk, for example VE is voting for your scumread and you read him null, which doesn't make any sense because he said mostly the same stuff you said about MM1. You don't talk about kush at all - while kush is one of high volume posters so far. I find it REALLY difficult to think that as town - you would have "more" to say on VE & Koshi than you would on kush.
1) Well, nobody is 100% town especially this early. He's just more likely town. That's all.
2) It's a weak read, but it's weird to say that he's done nothing scum-motivated. What's the town motivation for trashing your own play at the start and panicking at getting votes? It just seems *more* like a scum trying to avoid attention and then reacting too strongly to getting that attention.
3) Because it's hard to read him well and he's done nothing to make me particularly believe he's town or scum yet.
4) Because he has posted little and hasn't done anything particularly alignment indicative expect maybe making a post about MM1 that resonated with me.
kush: I think he's also a bit hard to read and I didn't write down anything towny/scummy about him yet. Nothing really meaningful anyway.
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Stop it rayn.... Now you're just not reading anymore. I never said that posting about Avatar is scummy. In fact the opposite.
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On August 11 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:03 onevone wrote:
Stop it rayn.... Now you're just not reading anymore. I never said that posting about Avatar is scummy. In fact the opposite. Then what is that part doing in your post? You made a post with 500 words when you could have said "i think MM1 is scum because he downplays himself - that's scummy." srsly. And you tell me you are not posting fluff? 
When posting about my early observations, not absolutely every word needs to be focused on points that make someone scum. It's definitely also worthwhile to consider towny points and it's not strictly bad to look at null points (although I guess that sentence was quite useless in the end).
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On August 11 2014 23:05 kushm4sta wrote:
k we still roleplaying and i'm still koshi
"baby take off your pants"
:O
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You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion).
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The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation.
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On August 11 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it scummy that MM1 talked with Koshi & Damdred about Avatar when we were talking about Avatar. Why is it scummy that when Mages posted about being afraid to post because he is new that MM1 said that Mages didn't need to be afraid to post because there were others just like Mages who are pretty new to forum mafia. Why is comforting people scummy? Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 08:48 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
hahah, don't worry about it Mages. I'm decent at video mafia, but im super trash at forum mafia. You'll see later that my cases probably need some work, so i'll be trying to focus on improving my accusations. I'm pretty extroverted, and i play a ton of sports. ATM it's summer vacation so its pretty much just work and studying for my classes in the fall. The 3 that i'm taking are all important to get into my major. I start school in a month and a half and i'm training for a tough mudder as well! I am calling this now: Mysterymeat1 is TOWNI put money on it. Going against this is going against me.
Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar.
It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion.
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On August 11 2014 23:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it wrong for him to color that line red when you put that in your scum post about him?
Because I've already explained several times now that it wasn't something that made him scum, just something to describe his earliest posts with. Why would posting about Avatar make you scum?
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On August 11 2014 23:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote:
The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. But MM admitted in his post that it would probably look like OMGUS. Which it probably is I think he took the second post out of context. But it honestly feels towny from him and how he normally plays hes at least posting his thoughts and interacting. You just feel like your jumping on him and trying to push because he might of picked up momentum for a good mislynch at this stage.
Honestly it's way too early to say that MM1 is today's lynch. The first wagon to get going is very rarely an actual lynch in my experience. But this is definitely a better topic to talk about than Avatar and it's likely that the clues to figure out the scumteam are already partly within reach from these first pages (combined with later evidence).
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On August 11 2014 23:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:32 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:25 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it wrong for him to color that line red when you put that in your scum post about him? Because I've already explained several times now that it wasn't something that made him scum, just something to describe his earliest posts with. Why would posting about Avatar make you scum? It doesn't make you scum at all especially what was going on in the thread at that point. Your case felt like you popped this in there as why other people were reading him scum and part of the reason that you were. It just felt disingenuous and a bit like you were warping the facts. And now it feels a lot like you are backtracking and trying to cover yourself.
You "feel" a lot of hypothetical situations :/
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On August 11 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:30 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it scummy that MM1 talked with Koshi & Damdred about Avatar when we were talking about Avatar. Why is it scummy that when Mages posted about being afraid to post because he is new that MM1 said that Mages didn't need to be afraid to post because there were others just like Mages who are pretty new to forum mafia. Why is comforting people scummy? On August 11 2014 08:48 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
hahah, don't worry about it Mages. I'm decent at video mafia, but im super trash at forum mafia. You'll see later that my cases probably need some work, so i'll be trying to focus on improving my accusations. I'm pretty extroverted, and i play a ton of sports. ATM it's summer vacation so its pretty much just work and studying for my classes in the fall. The 3 that i'm taking are all important to get into my major. I start school in a month and a half and i'm training for a tough mudder as well! I am calling this now: Mysterymeat1 is TOWNI put money on it. Going against this is going against me. Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar. It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion. You don't agree that the reason to why Mysterymeat " trashed himself" was to make Mages feel more comfortable? Because that looks pretty pro-town to me. Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote:
The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. Dude. I just fucking coloured 50% of the things MysteryMeat said in green. TELL ME WHY THOSE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. You said this: Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much
I just gave you 4 reasons to townread MysteryMeat of that case. Tell me why those 4 reasons are bad. Because your vote is currently on MysteryMeat because this: Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
##Vote MysteryMeat1
So if I know analyze these 2 points you made about MysterMeat1 1) Downplayed + talked about Avatar ---> Like I said. This is not scummy. He talked with some people about Avatar. He comforted Mages. 2) He makes a case on VE that doesn't say much. ---> Probably the best case in the game so far. At least way better than all the cases on MysterMeat. I am still waiting on somebody telling me the 4 green bolded things in his case are more likely to come from scum than town. Because I see it coming more likely from town. Why is your vote still on MysteryMeat? ##unvote ##vote: onevone
Why should my vote not be on MysteryMeat1? Should I rather not vote at all? I'll vote for someone else when I find someone more scummy. No point in not voting at all just because the read is weak.
I just said that the reasons in MM1's case are not scummy in themselves. Yet you continue to ask me why they are scummy. I only said that the timing + weak (not scummy) reasoning of the case didn't look good, making it look more like a panic reaction. It's plausible that the case itself is a genuine town thought process.
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On August 11 2014 23:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:42 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:39 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 23:32 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:25 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it wrong for him to color that line red when you put that in your scum post about him? Because I've already explained several times now that it wasn't something that made him scum, just something to describe his earliest posts with. Why would posting about Avatar make you scum? It doesn't make you scum at all especially what was going on in the thread at that point. Your case felt like you popped this in there as why other people were reading him scum and part of the reason that you were. It just felt disingenuous and a bit like you were warping the facts. And now it feels a lot like you are backtracking and trying to cover yourself. You "feel" a lot of hypothetical situations :/ yes I always get in trouble for using the same sensory words sometimes when I am writing. However you still failed to speak to the nature of the post, if you said something appears to make someone scummy and then come off of it and misrepresent whats going on and come off of it its backtracking. And you are backtracking off of what you said of MM
How am I backtracking? I've never said anything else than MM1 being slightly scummy and that he talked about Avatar early on (not a scummy thing to do, just a description of what he did in comparison to Mages).
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On August 11 2014 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:39 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:30 Damdred wrote:On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote:
The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. But MM admitted in his post that it would probably look like OMGUS. Which it probably is I think he took the second post out of context. But it honestly feels towny from him and how he normally plays hes at least posting his thoughts and interacting. You just feel like your jumping on him and trying to push because he might of picked up momentum for a good mislynch at this stage. Honestly it's way too early to say that MM1 is today's lynch. The first wagon to get going is very rarely an actual lynch in my experience. But this is definitely a better topic to talk about than Avatar and it's likely that the clues to figure out the scumteam are already partly within reach from these first pages (combined with later evidence). I don't think "Figuring out the Scumteam" is our day 1 plan. Specifically, I think that scum would be more likely to think about the game in that manner over town who *should* be more concerned with finding exactly 1 scum day one, or else achieving a good, information-heavy lynch.
I meant it as in generating clues to help determine the scumteam later on rather than figuring out the whole scumteam now.
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On August 12 2014 00:06 Koshi wrote:tbh I am already extremely bored with onevone. But he is playing so I let him be for the time. Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:29 Onegu wrote:Oh man so happy to play with Rayn and Koshi again. @kush. It's hot and still under martial law, but last week they took the machine gun carrying soldiers off of my street corner so at least that is something. On August 11 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hopefully other people in the game will chine in. My only concern is that if VE and i are both town it gives mafia an easy d1 mislynch. Did anyone else find it weird that VE only voted on my after Kush? Not to much really. Haru vote is much odder in my book, this isn't his first game like he said, and a straight up sheep this early in the game gets my toes in a curl when he says he is new. Anyway I'll be back in a bit after my kids sleep. Also I bought a new notebook for this game. Then my 2 .5 year old found it and decided to draw pictures in it. Brb in a few. How are we on Onegu? Is this completely null?
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On August 11 2014 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't believe onevone is a smurf and does not have a read on kush.
I've seen him play scummy as town and townish as scum. I don't think he's that easy to read really. With that said I wouldn't want to lynch him atm, he's been pretty active and talked about stuff.
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On August 12 2014 00:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:16 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 00:06 Koshi wrote:tbh I am already extremely bored with onevone. But he is playing so I let him be for the time. On August 11 2014 21:29 Onegu wrote:Oh man so happy to play with Rayn and Koshi again. @kush. It's hot and still under martial law, but last week they took the machine gun carrying soldiers off of my street corner so at least that is something. On August 11 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hopefully other people in the game will chine in. My only concern is that if VE and i are both town it gives mafia an easy d1 mislynch. Did anyone else find it weird that VE only voted on my after Kush? Not to much really. Haru vote is much odder in my book, this isn't his first game like he said, and a straight up sheep this early in the game gets my toes in a curl when he says he is new. Anyway I'll be back in a bit after my kids sleep. Also I bought a new notebook for this game. Then my 2 .5 year old found it and decided to draw pictures in it. Brb in a few. How are we on Onegu? Is this completely null? Don't be sad. The good news is I will be pushing for your lynch extremely hard at the end of the day. We will be able to play together then!
Glad to hear that you still remember me
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On August 12 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:2) MysteryMeat1 Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now. ##Vote MysteryMeat1On August 11 2014 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
His first post was all "Man I'm so bad and I can already tell you that you won't want to listen to anything I say"
Obviously I'm paraphrasing. But that's the feels I got reading his post. It made my ass twitch. Ok I think I might of played to many IML games and i'm putting to much on where votes are right now. However if you don't think its scummy why even put it in your post that lead up to a vote?
Dunno, I had just finished writing about Mages and moved on to MM1. Both had downplayed themselves, but MM1 also talked about Avatar, so I guess I just put it in there.
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On August 12 2014 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am putting Mages to townpile aswell.
By the way, it'd be more helpful if you also explained your reads while sharing them rather than just saying "X is town, Y is scum".
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Sn0_Man could be scum. He feels like the most lurky/invisible existence that still frequently posts in the thread.
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