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lilwade
Profile Joined July 2014
United States136 Posts
July 31 2014 20:15 GMT
#781
On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

Welcum young padawan
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 31 2014 20:19 GMT
#782
After examining Clockwork's filter, here's some things that seems to have stuck on for me, and I'd like to discuss so I can try to made heads or tails.

Now I've already said lilwade was the first to vote on him/early pushers, which mades me heavily town read wade for now.

Next point, Clockwork had some very early townie reads on GB and Jenny.

Clock pushed heavily on Poofter the few times he was active, even going as far as voting on him early on, though he rescinded quickly.

He then hopped on the teemu being scum bandwagon, going as far as to post some of his longest posts on said subject. Then votes hor him, and pushes on him for not voting for someone who he was pushing on, aka moi.

Then in a weird fashion after I ask Poofter to elaborate on his reads, he accuses me of not elaborating "like teemu." Which consists of most of his interaction with me.

And then , when asked about MP, whom he had never really(if at all) mentioned before, he called him either a lazy town or lurking mafia. When asked why he wouldn't change his vote from Teemu to MP, he says because he "personally" sees teemu as top scum, even though he sees why lots of others see him as top scum.

And finally, he never even mentions Tolkien after time began.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 31 2014 20:22 GMT
#783
On August 01 2014 05:19 Seeyalater wrote:
After examining Clockwork's filter, here's some things that seems to have stuck on for me, and I'd like to discuss so I can try to made heads or tails.

Now I've already said lilwade was the first to vote on him/early pushers, which mades me heavily town read wade for now.

Next point, Clockwork had some very early townie reads on GB and Jenny.

Clock pushed heavily on Poofter the few times he was active, even going as far as voting on him early on, though he rescinded quickly.

He then hopped on the teemu being scum bandwagon, going as far as to post some of his longest posts on said subject. Then votes hor him, and pushes on him for not voting for someone who he was pushing on, aka moi.

Then in a weird fashion after I ask Poofter to elaborate on his reads, he accuses me of not elaborating "like teemu." Which consists of most of his interaction with me.

And then , when asked about MP, whom he had never really(if at all) mentioned before, he called him either a lazy town or lurking mafia. When asked why he wouldn't change his vote from Teemu to MP, he says because he "personally" sees teemu as top scum, even though he sees why lots of others see him as top scum.

And finally, he never even mentions Tolkien after time began.

So, most importantly, what do you actually make of all of this? What alignments do you think myself, lilwade, and meatpudding are?

Who do you think is mafia?
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 20:24 GMT
#784
On August 01 2014 05:15 Teemursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

Hai Banks.

Anything you want to talk about before I head off to bed (once I manage to get myself tos top playing Hearthstone as well)?


I need to read up I kinda just read the part where RomanNumeralGuy was Mafia....

So like I have a plan. ITs a good one. I think. Going to read up and update my BANG MARRY KILL... just like everyone else should.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 20:26 GMT
#785
On August 01 2014 05:15 lilwade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

Welcum young padawan


Whalecum*
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 31 2014 20:27 GMT
#786
On August 01 2014 05:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 05:15 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

Hai Banks.

Anything you want to talk about before I head off to bed (once I manage to get myself tos top playing Hearthstone as well)?


I need to read up I kinda just read the part where RomanNumeralGuy was Mafia....

So like I have a plan. ITs a good one. I think. Going to read up and update my BANG MARRY KILL... just like everyone else should.

share plan plize
lilwade
Profile Joined July 2014
United States136 Posts
July 31 2014 20:28 GMT
#787
On August 01 2014 05:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 05:15 lilwade wrote:
On August 01 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
HAI GUYS I'm here.

Welcum young padawan


Whalecum*

I like u
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 31 2014 20:29 GMT
#788
Off to bed, will be checking the thread every now and then, but posting shall occur tomorrow again.

Just going to leave by telling the mafia that you kind of chose the wrong person to try to miss lynch.

Gn. <3
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 20:36 GMT
#789
On August 01 2014 01:07 JennyHell wrote:
Gooooooooooooooooood morning, and my my my what a good morning it is!

1 down, boys! This is awesome!

That brutal description though of the death, eek!

Let's see what horrors the night phase brings. Also, we can all talk during a night phase, wooot.


As mafia though his fate was brought upon by his actions.
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 31 2014 20:39 GMT
#790
I'm still trying to evaluate his ineractions. My early impressions from his interactions is that he makes Wade, you, and poof, seem townie. Casts a lil bit of doubt on his top town, GB and Jenny, but could easily just be him trying to pocket them by calling them town. His interaction with me was pretty small, but it was initiated by him calling me out for my teemu like behavior, which I thought came out of nowhere since I was just asking Poof to elaborate. What worries me is the last two. Meatpudding was someone he never engaged directly in conversation, and only talked him when pushed to do so. Also the fact that he never mention Tolkien at all is worrysome, because Tolkien is someone I have in my town circle, but it could just be they were never really active at the same time, and tons of people read tolk as town so he might have thought pushing on him was a bad idea.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 31 2014 20:45 GMT
#791
Why do I feel you are a potential scum, cya?
I'm adorable.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 20:47 GMT
#792
On August 01 2014 01:48 Teemursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:41 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?

Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe.


There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who.
Source: vote count

Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it.


Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated?
Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else.
That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic.

In the end, it was 5-3.

It's not a WIFOM scenario, mafia vote on mafia all the time if they see their member go down. If what you said was true 100% of the time and ONLY town voted on 666, from my PoV the mafia team would be 100% confirmed Seeyalater and meatpudding, and Idk if that is the case yet.


Yeah, I do understand what you say, but you gotta admit that the probability of what I've brought is higher.

In the end it was 5-3 because I switched from meatpudding to 666. Check my filter and my reasoning. Top town now?
BUT MAFIA KILL MEATPUDDING HE IS BLUUUUUE


No, I get that, and I'm not calling you mafia (check my post about 666's interactions), but your vote kind of makes the least amount of difference, because meat looked like he was going down anyway. And I do n't know the probability of what you're proposing. Mafia is a game about reads, not probability. If you go by probability only, all games would only have like one possible outcome (obviously the extreme scenario, but you get my point?).



If GB didn't vote for Roman NumeralGuy RNG would still be alive and Meat would be dead so like his vote was essentially a hammer.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
July 31 2014 20:55 GMT
#793
On August 01 2014 05:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 01:48 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:41 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?

Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe.


There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who.
Source: vote count

Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it.


Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated?
Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else.
That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic.

In the end, it was 5-3.

It's not a WIFOM scenario, mafia vote on mafia all the time if they see their member go down. If what you said was true 100% of the time and ONLY town voted on 666, from my PoV the mafia team would be 100% confirmed Seeyalater and meatpudding, and Idk if that is the case yet.


Yeah, I do understand what you say, but you gotta admit that the probability of what I've brought is higher.

In the end it was 5-3 because I switched from meatpudding to 666. Check my filter and my reasoning. Top town now?
BUT MAFIA KILL MEATPUDDING HE IS BLUUUUUE


No, I get that, and I'm not calling you mafia (check my post about 666's interactions), but your vote kind of makes the least amount of difference, because meat looked like he was going down anyway. And I do n't know the probability of what you're proposing. Mafia is a game about reads, not probability. If you go by probability only, all games would only have like one possible outcome (obviously the extreme scenario, but you get my point?).



If GB didn't vote for Roman NumeralGuy RNG would still be alive and Meat would be dead so like his vote was essentially a hammer.


But was it mafia hammer, trying to make himself "confirmed" as he stated in a post earlier this nightphase. Or was is town hammer?
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 31 2014 21:00 GMT
#794
Well objectively speaking, I have to be a potential mafia on everyone's list based on how little Clockwork interacted with me. My top scum is still Meatpudding at the moment, but while Wade and teemu have gone up on my town list, Jenny, you, and Tolkien have gone down slightly. Poofter I'm still on the same page about. I feel like I should have put him higher now as top town, but a part of me also feels like, Poofter is good enough to have convinced Clockwork to bus him to "clear" poofter in our eyes. Sadly that's not a logical reasoning at all, but because Poofter is basically this game incarnate as Jenny said earlier, it will take a lot(and I mean a lot) to ever see him as true town.
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 31 2014 21:00 GMT
#795
My reply above was at GB.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 21:35 GMT
#796
On August 01 2014 05:55 JennyHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 05:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:48 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:41 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 01:10 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote:
Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me?

Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe.


There is a mafia between you. I'm trying to figure out who.
Source: vote count

Idk if this is true yet, since the votes towards the end weren't consolidated by that much. I'll leave the vote logic to Banks and he's probably the only one I can trust about it.


Wait, what? Votes were 4 on meatpudding (set to be lynched) and 4 on 666. You don't think this is consolidated?
Basic vote logic: not considering a little WIFOMy scenario, mafia wouldn't probably vote on themselves. Therefore, lets check people who are voting on someone else.
That leaves only you and Seeyalater. Meatpudding decided not to vote on himself so an ok logic.

In the end, it was 5-3.

It's not a WIFOM scenario, mafia vote on mafia all the time if they see their member go down. If what you said was true 100% of the time and ONLY town voted on 666, from my PoV the mafia team would be 100% confirmed Seeyalater and meatpudding, and Idk if that is the case yet.


Yeah, I do understand what you say, but you gotta admit that the probability of what I've brought is higher.

In the end it was 5-3 because I switched from meatpudding to 666. Check my filter and my reasoning. Top town now?
BUT MAFIA KILL MEATPUDDING HE IS BLUUUUUE


No, I get that, and I'm not calling you mafia (check my post about 666's interactions), but your vote kind of makes the least amount of difference, because meat looked like he was going down anyway. And I do n't know the probability of what you're proposing. Mafia is a game about reads, not probability. If you go by probability only, all games would only have like one possible outcome (obviously the extreme scenario, but you get my point?).



If GB didn't vote for Roman NumeralGuy RNG would still be alive and Meat would be dead so like his vote was essentially a hammer.


But was it mafia hammer, trying to make himself "confirmed" as he stated in a post earlier this nightphase. Or was is town hammer?


Id say that it was likely a townie hammer but I'm not fully caught up. I wouldn't look at GB tomorrow. He still needs to find the other mafia for sure.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 21:36 GMT
#797
On August 01 2014 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 04:10 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:50 Teemursu wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:20 Teemursu wrote:
Unlike what Banks said as a medic I would probably save him and not Jenny (unless there is a blue read).


Good thing ur not medic I'm a terrible save. Jenny like super confirmed.


Good job on Roman numeral guy. That means we have three lunches to get it right. Meatface/seeyalater and maybe teemu wins 80%of games.

You first two need to start spewing town. I think the last is seeyalater.


We killed mafia day 1 ladies I'm so proud!!!!!!!

Well, as she said, no one's confirmed, but based on day 1, you did the most to push on 666, I think, which makes you pretty towny in my eyes?

Also, it's even better if you don't think I'm the medic.


Are you mafia, Teemu?


No, why do you think I might be?


You're hinting you are the medic when we have no idea who can be medic. It didn't sound like you were trying to take a bullet so... Why saying that?
If I misread anything let me know... I slept too little and I am not absorbing information very well lol


town pass revoked. This is dumb if he is the medic why try to out him or make him clarify? Let it be and know hes fake claiming my role.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
July 31 2014 21:36 GMT
#798
I've had that stupid Eiffel 65 song going around in my head ever since it was linked. CURSE YOU, POOFTAH!
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 21:37 GMT
#799
On August 01 2014 04:19 JennyHell wrote:
Haha, some of the logic of people is just so wacko. Why even call Teemu out for it when others did it multiple times during d1? It just doesn't make sense. Stop trying to help mafia by clearing their questionmarks out for them.


#townieposts #marryme #medicsavingyoutonight
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 31 2014 21:38 GMT
#800
On August 01 2014 06:36 JennyHell wrote:
I've had that stupid Eiffel 65 song going around in my head ever since it was linked. CURSE YOU, POOFTAH!


You're whalecum!

I'll have to hum it tonight on team speak. The video is just too good!
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