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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 18:01 GMT
#721
On July 24 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's lynch all the people who said VA is Xatalos' scumread?
jjust because that was so bad.

Palmar you in?


LOL

Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:02 GMT
#722
On July 24 2014 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rayn can you go a bit into detail about the "wtf Koshi, wtf are you doing" and why you don't want to scumread him, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know what to read him. I agree with him to some extent on you, other stuff he has posted is just.... mehhhhhhhhhhh.......
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:03 GMT
#723

It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later.


Take a look at it now, I want to estirpate the notion that I'm scum whenever it arises in people I think are town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:05 GMT
#724
On July 24 2014 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rayn can you go a bit into detail about the "wtf Koshi, wtf are you doing" and why you don't want to scumread him, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know what to read him. I agree with him to some extent on you, other stuff he has posted is just.... mehhhhhhhhhhh.......


With this???

On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that what you say isn't correct. He talks about post formatting and Xatalos, and replies to a guy asking him about someone else in the first posts you quoted as being townie and giving his thoughts freely.

tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing.

When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing.

what he was doing > what you were doing.

lynching him < lynching you


It's math.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#725
i didn't read that post. it wasn' really interesting. i don't know what's it about and i doubt it's important as noone has pushed anything based on that post.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#726
And mind you, he voted me after this:

On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote:
It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.


Now tell me if what I say is right or wrong.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#727
On July 24 2014 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming

On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.

GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum?


I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you.

I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope.


Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far.


I've just went through your filter. You were saying that when Vivax is scum he mostly lurks. You hesitate on voting him but after people start saying you're too passive you vote for him. Ben Vivax start posting a little bit more and BOOM you Unvote him. Then you jump on Navi wagon, not reeeeally expressing a strong read.

It was funny because when I saw you vote on Vivax I thought "it means nothing, he may be voting just to show 'scum hunt'. He could just Unvote and change focus to an existing wagon.". Less than one page you do this.

And the funny thing is: as an example of scum hunting, you bring your vote on Vivax instead of your vote on Navi, which confirms what I thought of you.

I am pretty certain I am sustaining my vote on you with this other evidence you provided me. If nothing really big happens, I won't change my vote and I invite townies to read my posts against you to see if they agree with me and jump on the wagon.

It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later.


Whatever, I doubt you'll change your mind anytime soon.

By the way, that's actually not a bad post. It's just too bad that the conclusion is still wrong.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 18:07 GMT
#728
Rayn, you implied there was a second post that I missed, so I went out and poured over your filter looking for it. That large post was the one I was reading in the first place, so I was looking for another post that didn't exist. -.-;

Also, no, I don't see anything wrong with that Damdred post. The things you're saying make sense in the grand scheme of things...I guess? I just don't see scum!Damdred trying to make a giant post like that early on without much prompting, flaws or no.

I just thought the context was more important than the content. Though I will be honest and say that his status of lynchbait from last game might have colored my read here.

@Vivax: Hi. What don't you like about Koshi's read? Your read on his read is generic too, so I don't know how I should be able to parse through both of you giving me generic shit and be able to differentiate between the two of you.

Though I'm gonna kind of dodge the question and say that Koshi is probably town for thinking about murdering me.
Retired.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:07 GMT
#729
On July 24 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i didn't read that post. it wasn' really interesting. i don't know what's it about and i doubt it's important as noone has pushed anything based on that post.


If you only focus on what's popular at the moment you won't get far.
Too mainstream rayn, too mainstream.
Now go listen to madonna.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:07 GMT
#730
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:11 GMT
#731
On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.


I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen.
What of Koshi now?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:15 GMT
#732
On July 24 2014 03:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.


I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen.
What of Koshi now?

what do you mean? i just said idk...
do you even know why Koshi voted for you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:18 GMT
#733
oh i misread one of your posts. yeah that's why he voted for you. i can see why.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:19 GMT
#734
On July 24 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:11 Vivax wrote:
On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me.


I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen.
What of Koshi now?

what do you mean? i just said idk...
do you even know why Koshi voted for you?


Isn't it already an issue that you can't be sure why after we had that long fight in the thread?
I made my reasons clear enough while Koshi was busy writing stuff like:

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 23 2014 21:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:05 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that what you say isn't correct. He talks about post formatting and Xatalos, and replies to a guy asking him about someone else in the first posts you quoted as being townie and giving his thoughts freely.

tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing.

When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing.

what he was doing > what you were doing.

lynching him < lynching you


It's math.


Scum agenda equals simulating town agenda while opting for mislynches.

It's logic.

I like how you think that Koshi is harddefending his scumpartner here. Which you are implying in the last 2 posts you made.

And when I say like. I mean hahahaha, You scum.


On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus.

Good thinking.


On July 23 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:22 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:20 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus.

Good thinking.


When did you decide to scumread me?

When I voted you.


And the reason is that I'm not doing anything while navi is doing something?
In that case, why not vote me earlier?

Is this conversation really happening?

*yawn*

Wake me up when you got something interesting to say Vivax.


On July 23 2014 21:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:46 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Koshi runs away with the tail between his legs.

This proves that you didn't need the answer to that question.

Which isn't a surprise because it was a completely stupid question.


It's not, I'm making inquiries about your scumread on me. You dropped that vote when I posted something about you, then said it was cause I didn't do anything while navi was doing something. I derped around when I sheeped Palmar's case, if derping around is the reason for your scumread on me, then it should have happened at that point.

Why would I be following your every move every fucking second of this game?

I was ignoring your useless ass but then you said something really stupid and I voted you. That's why it was then and not earlier. I would like to believe Town Vivax would understand that. As if you would ever scumread me for ignoring your useless ass, but now that I am voting you, you are trying to paint me scummy for ignoring your useless ass early.

So yeah.

you scum.


On July 23 2014 21:54 Koshi wrote:
I am not the one being red here.


On July 23 2014 22:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:32 Vivax wrote:
Lynch today: Koshi/navi/Xata/chopin

Don't lynch: Everyone else.

Ok. Not moving my vote ever.


On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:06 Koshi wrote:
When I say later on. I meant before he made that post Palmar based his case on.

And those questions were not made to be ignored.

I don't see it. The two posts you quoted and used to defended him based on him "not trying to hide anything" is because there's almost nothing to hide.

Like, literally. His reads on CL and Damdred were just fluffy null there wasn't anything about him trying to figure out people's alignment. Xata was okay, but everyone already discussed it and the reasons. For some reason, repeating what everyone else has said about a post that happened almost six hours ago doesn't give me enough town cred for me to read that person as town. Especially when the post Palmar made a case about was in my opinion bad as well.

You then go on to quoting post-Palmar's case stuff, that 1) aren't relevant 2) I can somewhat agree and helps me read Palmar. "I'm still leaving my options open about him, though".

I want to hear from Koshi what he specifically liked about Navillus's posts pre-Palmar's case besides just saying "he's not hiding anything", which isn't enough considering how null Navillus's posts were.

I also want to hear from CL about the switch from agreeing with Palmar's case on Navillus, voting on Navillus, and then asking everyone else why Navillus is being lynched and saying he has "potential" (while Nav hadn't even had time to respond yet).

Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words.
I give him a townread.

The end.


On July 23 2014 23:07 Koshi wrote:
itt: Vivax confirming me town when lynched.


On July 23 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean, if he thinks I'm not being blunt and only applies it to how I handle Koshi purely based on the wording of my post, but not to the way I handled navi, then something is not right. I feel like I was blunt enough in regard to what I think of navi, yet he only prefers to focus on the last half.

I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one.

I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax.



And in all this time he was able to bring his point across as to why I'm scum all we're left is with 1/10 reasons and 9/10 taunts.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:19 GMT
#735
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:21 GMT
#736
On July 24 2014 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.


Why did you feel the need to get so worked up over his posts then.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:22 GMT
#737
Isn't it already an issue that you can't be sure why after we had that long fight in the thread?

I know exactly why you had the fight. I just thought about 2min ago YOU DIDN'T. Then i realized i missed the quote from you you quoted in your post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:24 GMT
#738
On July 24 2014 03:21 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.


Why did you feel the need to get so worked up over his posts then.

what the fuck vivax?
I said "everything Koshi has said EXCEPT FOR WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT VIVAX is meh....
what the fuck`?
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
July 23 2014 18:26 GMT
#739
My post about the same stuff that I think got you worked up:

It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.


Now:
what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means.


I'm just curious as to why you go all "wtf" on his posts, when I show you what I disliked about Koshi you're like "meh, not scummy".

Calm your horses.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2014 18:27 GMT
#740
yes i didn't like your post and i liked Koshi's response -> which was to vote for you, as i have clearly said.
What's so hard to understand?
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