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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Pfft, no. I had to reread your filter to find it. I don't have to agree with a case to think someone is town or not. no you don't. but did you read the other post of mine?  | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me. GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum? I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you. I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope. | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
This is directed at you, Xata. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you. I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope. Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: no you don't. but did you read the other post of mine? Probably not, which post? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Vivax
22317 Posts
Then tell me what you think of Koshi skipping over it to townread navi for reasons that to me seem quite iffy, too generic in the first long, and hyperbole in the second short post regarding that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:37 Vivax wrote: I found GB's big post pretty townie cause he tries really hard to get a point across he seems to find tough to bring across, and in the process of reading it you kinda get that aha-feeling for all he found scummy about Xata, and can understand it and realize that it's probably what he really thinks This is directed at you, Xata. I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up. Cava, this post. If i have to quote my own posts again for you i am gonna lynch you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:43 Xatalos wrote: I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning. am i scum too? i am always confident, one would say (correctly  ) over-confindent. | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:43 Xatalos wrote: I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning. You will have a different perspective than me given that the big post is an attack on you, so it will be hard to get you to realize what I mean in order to get you to agree or disagree with my read, I'm naturally more suspicious of people who I feel attack me without proper justification. Now, if you pretend for a moment that the big post wasn't an attack on you but somebody else, and read the reasons he gave for it, will you still come to the conclusion that it's a post from scum? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
This is like people telling me VA was your scumread but then none of them could tell me where you said he is mafia... ugh.. fucking shit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
jjust because that was so bad. Palmar you in? | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote: Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far. I've just went through your filter. You were saying that when Vivax is scum he mostly lurks. You hesitate on voting him but after people start saying you're too passive you vote for him. Ben Vivax start posting a little bit more and BOOM you Unvote him. Then you jump on Navi wagon, not reeeeally expressing a strong read. It was funny because when I saw you vote on Vivax I thought "it means nothing, he may be voting just to show 'scum hunt'. He could just Unvote and change focus to an existing wagon.". Less than one page you do this. And the funny thing is: as an example of scum hunting, you bring your vote on Vivax instead of your vote on Navi, which confirms what I thought of you. I am pretty certain I am sustaining my vote on you with this other evidence you provided me. If nothing really big happens, I won't change my vote and I invite townies to read my posts against you to see if they agree with me and jump on the wagon. It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later. | ||
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