EPTSomewhere if I really had to pick 3
Vivax/VA/batsnacks
I don't know why these 3.
The End?
No. Previously, in the same post, on AMC.
I will end all this with me acknowledging Vivax has a big filter and that that can be used to argument he isn't scum.
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Vivax
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Somewhere if I really had to pick 3 Vivax/VA/batsnacks I don't know why these 3. The End? No. Previously, in the same post, on AMC. | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
On July 25 2014 20:53 Vivax wrote: I'm not saying mafia preferred navi over Obi, that's what Xata is saying in the argumentation for Obi being scummy. So it should be directed at him. no you're not getting it. Navi got 8 votes ez pz. Obi wan got 3 votes with me pushing it and that wagon happened first. Based on this alone, Obiwan looks worse, unless someone can think of why mafia would particularly be happy with Navillus and not Obiwan. Because otherwise Obiwan should have got more than 2-3 votes. You're the one asking Xatalos why it makes Obiwan mafia for lynching Navillus, but if you're saying Obiwan is town, then you have to explain why he hardly got any votes. Although if Obiwan is mafia that makes Teermersu much less likely to be mafia I think. Hmm. Interesting. Chopin | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
On July 25 2014 20:58 Chopin Liszt wrote: no you're not getting it. Navi got 8 votes ez pz. Obi wan got 3 votes with me pushing it and that wagon happened first. Based on this alone, Obiwan looks worse, unless someone can think of why mafia would particularly be happy with Navillus and not Obiwan. Because otherwise Obiwan should have got more than 2-3 votes. You're the one asking Xatalos why it makes Obiwan mafia for lynching Navillus, but if you're saying Obiwan is town, then you have to explain why he hardly got any votes. Although if Obiwan is mafia that makes Teermersu much less likely to be mafia I think. Hmm. Interesting. Chopin Main reason being that kush and vayne popped in and didn't want to sheep you on Obi but chose navi on their own. As I see it, shouldn't Xata be suspicious of these two now? | ||
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Chopin Liszt
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 25 2014 20:52 Vivax wrote: Again, even if he was town he wouldn't be the best choice, or fuck knows what scum chooses to do. Yes, they wouldn't vote him if he was scum, they also wouldn't vote him if he was a shitty looking townie. Just...use other arguments and not this for Obi being scum please. I'm not saying it necessarily makes him scum. It's just the most sensible explanation for why it was a struggle to get votes on him. Of course scum might have preferred to lynch me instead or something. But it feels natural that scum would jump on Navillus to save ObiWan after that, I guess. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
Assuming Obi is town. Point of all this being, if Xata wants to argue that Obi is scum, I don't want him to use such arguments. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:01 Chopin Liszt wrote: Maybe. I don't care so much anymore what Xatalos does though. Chopin  | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
The Xatalos case is not so clear as ritoky to me, if only because it's a bit less ridiculous. But it was still quite ridiculous and I am still pretty sure I am right. Chopin | ||
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
I didn't mean it how you are interpreting it. Chopin | ||
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Vivax
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Chopin Liszt
United States304 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:04 Vivax wrote: By that logic Damdred is also scum though. Felt like a guy who got a lot of resistance to his lynch, even moreso than Obi in my opinion. But I don't wanna use that logic, cause I don't know who scum is and where they piled up preferentially. We need post analysis and not that. Yes of course. But wagons and how they formed and didn't form is still useful information also. Chopin | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
How am I supposed to understand that conclusion. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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I just don't know man, how the hell am I supposed to believe he could be town like everyone is saying. | ||
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Chopin Liszt
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:04 Chopin Liszt wrote: I didn't mean it how you are interpreting it. Chopin Oh, you meant it as being "cleared".... By the way, you're almost certainly dead tonight (especially with 3KP). So you should probably post your conclusions at the deadline rather than right away, although it might be good to discuss some stuff. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:13 Chopin Liszt wrote: I don't understand how you think he could manage to behave like he has as mafia though. Chopin I feel like I have been on good terms with him most of the time, and even got some leeway from him when I was mafia in the previous game, which actually cost them a mislynch. This game he just doesn't even try to sit back, reconsider and realize I'm town. Maybe it's a lesson he has drawn from last game but what's stopping me from thinking that is: If this guy even reconsiders me being scum when I play scum, but doesn't reconsider me being scum when I'm obvious town, and doesn't even try to listen to reason, then that's highly different from when he played town, and that gives me the impression he's scum. | ||
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Vivax
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:19 Vivax wrote: It's like he gets an achievement for lynching me, that's the feeling I get. ![[image loading]](https://s3.amazonaws.com/achgenwow/t/n_k1yOajeu.png) | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 25 2014 21:08 Vivax wrote: I like how Koshi said that he would have tried to steer the wagon to Obi if it wasn't for the early end, but in the final scum Obi is among the guy he would shoot, not lynch. How am I supposed to understand that conclusion. I know in what mindset I was yesterday. Navillus was obvious town on D1. I was 100% certain on it. I had a lot of people in my townlist but I was 100% on Navillus. If anybody would have talked about him at all in the last 10 hours going to the lynch I would have said it. But nobody talked about him. It was all Damdred/Obiwan. But ofc then suddenly......... Obiwan isn't. He has a 6 page filter but if you read it there is nothing in it. He stopped caring about solving this game or is scum. I know I would have lynched him over Damdred yesterday. I know if marv is town he would have followed me. I am sure I could strongarm a couple more people into doing that. I am sure about that. I removed Obiwan out of final 5 for going after rayn when he came back just like I did. But for vigi shot he is the best call tonight. If he flips town and goes crying about losing games or getting lynched I am going to flame him so hard. w.e VA just did something that is 100% his scum meta. Which is coming into the game with a listpost. Trying to gain cred and put himself to the frontline. I do like he is playing, don't get me wrong, but his excuses around the Navillus lynch also sat a bit wrong with me. Anyway, VA showed that he wants to play. Force him to play tomorrow. I have to have you as scum Vivax. Because you are scum or shit. That's the reason. I gave all the reasoning to why you are shit. I had like 5 points or something. batsnacks is meh. He is a pretty balls out scum. So him playing balls out is not a good reason to call him town. So there is no reason to call him town. GlowingBear shouldn't be forgotten btw. Pressure him into giving more reads. | ||
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