EPTTL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Page 147
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
But we didn't and instead lynched scum? Like c'mon dude. Just vote Vivax. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I heavily doubt Koshi is scum. Dude has like 16 pages of content to his name. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I'll use nice font and everything, so you can feel good about sheeping it. Why you should vote Vivax Charge 1: Vivax's activity drops off rapidly after D1. On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote: Day 2 IAmRobik the Repulsive Crone is dead + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Vanilla Townie You are an ordinary person dragged into an extraordinary situation. You need to be the voice of reason in town. You have no abilities except the power to vote. You win when all threats to town are eliminated. + Show Spoiler [Actual Role] + Repulsive Crone You are just disgusting in every facet. Your skin boils and blisters, and your hair crawls with maggots. Your vile stench makes a sewage pipe seem like sweet lavender. Because you are so unbearably nauseating, anyone trying to perform an action on you will recoil in horror, their every sense viciously assaulted. This will cause them to stagger away to a nearby, random house, and perform their action on another player. In their horrified confusion, they’ll still think their action was carried out on you, though. And oh - there’s one exception. You can still be hit by KP, because ending your revolting life is doing the world a favour, and people can just about bear to take you out from distance. Bad luck. ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Janitor When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world. Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip. You win when the mafia can not be stopped. You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities. On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: something You have to check his filter for yourself here, but you can see his first post was after D2 was on page 5 of his filter. That said he has only 1 more page of filter after that. So that's 1 page of posts for D2, N2, D3, N3 and D4. That's like a week. Sure town could be busy and posting may dip here and there, but this is a plummet in post count. Not only that he straight up hasn't posted anything for like 5 days. Charge 2: Vivax isn't really involved in the main wagons of each day. For D1: If you open his whole filter and Ctrl + F "iamp", you will see how few and far his posts on him are, when such a large portion of the D1 discussion was on him. On July 08 2014 22:19 Vivax wrote: If iamp was scum I'd have caught him already. When you have this picture in your head of some threatening big guy posting authoritarian one-liners about stuff that deserves attention you can be sure he's town. On July 10 2014 00:29 Vivax wrote: The thing bothering me about iamp is just the timing of that reads post. It came right after Toad pointed out how he made similar posts in other games where he was town. Which made me think he could have made it just for the purpose of appearing town. Anyway still need to finish a few pages. On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: Ok, that post is pretty convincing. ##Unvote ##Vote iamperfection This is not someone who was involved in figuring out the lynch on D1. He just stepped back and watched stuff happen. At the start he called iamp town, but then over time he wanted to join on the lynch on iamp so he makes a really questionable post to find a reason (see how he calls iamp scum for doing something that he does as town !!!), and even then just sits around and waits to stick his vote. Vivax was not involved in the D1 lynch. For D2: On July 10 2014 23:55 Vivax wrote: I feel mderg has a good chance of being scum cause he posts very reactively and then mostly to discuss townreads with people or antagonize them about their scumreads. Just from his filter I have a hard time telling who he's scumreading, or seeing that he has the intention to. I'm more keen on lynching him than Cora atm. In fact I'd prefer if we didn't lynch Cora cause I can think of a few townie things in his filter, will elaborate if I see the need. Will be less active in this game for a bit, don't rush it till I get to read some more please, especially the information around Obi. The first post after D2, he points out mderg as good chance of being scum. Next post: On July 11 2014 07:26 Vivax wrote: So the point is that mderg defended himself by claiming that VE never scumread him, while saying that VE is scummy for that? But VE did consider him as scumread, so it was untrue. Alrighty, I hope it's easier to digest now. I'd lke to hear mderg's version of this before deciding if I should apply this as well. He defends mderg against layabout's accusations. Not in a "well I don't agree with your reasoning but I think mderg is scum too", but in a "I don't see your point, I'm gonna wait to see how mderg responds". It's awkward, and there isn't any movement to actually try to get mderg lynched. Next he makes a big post on how HiroPro is scum based off of how he reacted to the mderg wagon. What he doesn't make is a post trying to get other people to lynch mderg. Note where his votes are in the D1 and D2 lynches (the order isn't right so you can check for yourself in the voting thread here. On July 10 2014 01:22 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote iamperfection On July 10 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote: Official Votecount iamperfection (11): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, vivax, harurh, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ iamrobik (1): corazon forumite (2): visceraeyes, bill hiropro (1): batsnacks With 26 players alive it takes 14.0 votes to lynch. Last update 16:25 GMT (+00:00) On July 11 2014 23:59 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: mderg On July 12 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Official Votecount exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (4): prplhz, toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (8): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, damdred, kushm4sta, alakaslam, koshi forumite (2): visceraeyes, billmurray With 20 players alive it takes 11.0 votes to lynch. Last update 15:00 GMT (+00:00) 11th and 8th. Basically last on the wagon. This is someone who watches the wagon build up, doesn't really interact with it, and still ends up on it when everyone else has gone on. Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 wagons at all. Charge 3: Vivax puts suspicions on people in an indirect way, such that he doesn't look responsible. I have a 3rd point but I need to wake up early tomorrow so I'm just gonna hope the first two points are enough. But you can look at his filter and see how he calls people scum, and you can see it's really indirect and non committal. So let's sum it up. Vivax was not involved in the D1 or D2 lynches. Vivax has only 6 pages of filters, 5 of which are in D1, and almost none of which was related to the main wagons of either day. Vivax makes noncommittal accusations against people and doesn't do much to actually get scum lynched. This isn't a "oh well let's just lynch a lurker". Vivax actually looks like scum. Vote Vivax. Do it. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
1) Almost everyone who has posted this phase except the confirmed town and me seems pretty okay with lynching vivax; doesn't that make you hesitate? 2) If I were to replace vivax's name with exo_ or alakaslam, would the case largely be the same? So why aren't you scum reading them? or reading them at all? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
##Vote: Vivax | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On July 16 2014 15:30 ritoky wrote: I have read your post, and my initial response is: 1) Almost everyone who has posted this phase except the confirmed town and me seems pretty okay with lynching vivax; doesn't that make you hesitate? 2) If I were to replace vivax's name with exo_ or alakaslam, would the case largely be the same? So why aren't you scum reading them? or reading them at all? Hey, I don´t want to lynch vivax either. It´s easy to forget the lurkers. I didn´t check vivax until koshi asked me for a specific read and since then he´s been up for discussion. It could just as easily have been someone else. Not really, ExO and slam could be pushed by a similar case but there´s a difference, they have been active longer and been hard to read during that time, while vivax looked like a townie while he was active and then dropped off. Ignoring the AFK and low activity Vivax is a townie, and ExO and Slam not as much. 10 players, several lurkers that scum don´t need to kill =/. I didn´t think no modkills for inactivity would have this big of an impact. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
ExO_ is ExO_ he lurks as either alignment. Forumite. Tell me why SlOosh his case is garbage. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On July 16 2014 17:38 Koshi wrote: You people forgot Alakaslam was banned for a month. ExO_ is ExO_ he lurks as either alignment. Forumite. Tell me why SlOosh his case is garbage. A month, great Sloosh, he´s scum because of his semi-defence of kush that dropped when the check came in, barely mentions obi or kush until he really needed to. I don´t think he mentions kush's or obi's names anywhere except in the quotes of others. Not necessarily a scumtell but doesn´t look good combined with the FoS D3. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 16 2014 18:33 Forumite wrote: A month, great Sloosh, he´s scum because of his semi-defence of kush that dropped when the check came in, barely mentions obi or kush until he really needed to. I don´t think he mentions kush's or obi's names anywhere except in the quotes of others. Not necessarily a scumtell but doesn´t look good combined with the FoS D3. That was not my question. Why is slOosh his case bad. Tell me. Because to me and a lot of others slOosh is town. | ||
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Vivax
22427 Posts
I see my absence hasn't gone unnoticed. Needless to say I'll need a while to catch up with everything. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 16 2014 18:40 Vivax wrote: Hai. I see my absence hasn't gone unnoticed. Needless to say I'll need a while to catch up with everything. O RLY | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
sloosh (1): forumite vivax (3): sloosh, yamato77, koshi exo_ (1): ritoky damdred (2): layabout, hiropro hiropro (1): billmurray With 14 players alive it takes 8.0 votes to lynch. Last update 09:50 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Vivax
22427 Posts
I'm not sure if this necessarily makes him scum given the efforts I've seen but it would be worth a good explanation as to why his reads are so wobbly. On July 12 2014 04:01 layabout wrote: might need to rush off and i dont have time for full analysis but... these were the 3 main important lynches: obwian (Mafia) forumite(?) and iamp(town) obi wagon at it's highest i feel like prplhz and exo are town but might need to look over it fourmite wagons at it's highest toad sloosh and huruh are the ones i would be least confident calling town followed by billl full iamp wagon: people on iamp wagon that weren't on either of the other two of this group we know obi was mafia and that corazon was town, i am willing to label kush and sinani town so this suggest vivax or forumite is scum playerlist minus 3 main wagons IAmRobik town iamperfection town layabout ritoky batsnacks mderg Damdred Forumite HiroPro Tehpoofter 3rd party 27ninjabunnies 3rd party maybe someone could colour it? On July 15 2014 10:29 layabout wrote: If people by and large aren't seeing toad a scum i might put the idea on hold. It really bugs me that ritoky labels those posts "vote analysis" it's vote data the analysis is the bit that you do with it that he hasn't done for instance: I believe that in the end mafia would prefer to be on the list of voters for kushmaster than not once they thought he was doomed. kush would have died yesterday or today so whilst a mislynch was desirable it would not be worth the risk of exposing more members of the team. Even if they tried to save kush once it was clear that he would get lynched then, being on the wagon make them look a whole lot better than not. So if you agree with my initial statement mafia are likelier to be in; Group 1: kushm4sta:toadesstern, sloosh, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Than in group 2: Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Next i would use my thoughts about the players in question to trim group 1 down to: batsnacks forumite hiropro ritoky harurh and after looking into that i might say that we should kill batsnacks or ritoky and since he never bothered to do any of this i would then say that we should kill ritoky. ^^^^^ Vote analysis ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On July 15 2014 10:54 layabout wrote: prior to yesterday my preference would have been damdred - > ritoky -> bat given that he went nowhere i don't see why i would want to move ritoky up that order even before he stopped playing vivax did nothing to make it onto any of my lists of town hero's peope with town points or people to be weary of so i could consider lynching him before bat if we are still playing or decide to lynch bat at all. we shouldn't forget all this: On July 16 2014 00:36 layabout wrote: if i were to vote viavx it would be for doing nothing significant despite posting a lot then disappearing, it would be policy in part damdred gave me weird vibes at the start and has done nothing to change that ##Vote Damdred | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On July 16 2014 18:38 Koshi wrote: That was not my question. Why is slOosh his case bad. Tell me. Because to me and a lot of others slOosh is town. I don´t understand the question, "Why is sloosh his case bad"? What? I thought you meant "Tell me why Sloosh, his case is garbage", that I should elaborate. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Vivax
22427 Posts
On July 12 2014 05:32 Damdred wrote: Question for mderg, why do you have layabout and Haru posted as scum but you voted for someone that you were leaning scum in such a knee jerk fashion? It would probably of been less scummy going for one of them rather than voteing exo like you did if you had such a scum read on them to. This question was asked right before the hammer on mderg and his vote. Does this look like a question you ask to somebody you suspect of being scum? This feels more like a question I would ask post game to a guy of whom I know he's town, asking him why he made the mistake of looking scummy. Mderg replies: I voted Exo because his post looked awful at that moment. I don´t keep lists who is exactly how scummy all the time, so the vote was a decision for that moment. Also layabout wasn´t that scummy at the point I voted, he just got way down in my list because wanting the hammer. I could have changed the vote but that wouldn´t have changed anything. I will 99,9% be lynched anyway. And this is Damdred's reaction. On July 12 2014 10:58 Damdred wrote: I guess i could hammer if everyone wants me to... On July 12 2014 11:04 Damdred wrote: Ok I don't think we are getting anywhere at this point so i'm going to hammer and end the day early ##Vote: Mderg Respect the hammer don't die No interest into the answer to a rather pointless question, and he openly delegates responsibility for his decision before dropping the hammer. I'd lynch him just based on this. | ||
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Vivax
22427 Posts
On July 16 2014 19:12 Forumite wrote: Vivax, why were you gone? Is it relevant? If I'm scum who suddenly stopped playing the game for some reason, then I will just make up the reason. If I had a good reason, you got no way of confirming it and I will just waste time explaining it. I'd rather have you judge me for what I actually contribute to solving the game. | ||
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Vivax
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