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Tehpoofter
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On April 03 2014 20:25 Palmar wrote: pretty sure I've already won, but no idea. The hosts refuse to explain my role so I don't know. Congratz on your victory. How do you read HF as town and marv as scum so fast? | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 03 2014 20:29 IAmRobik wrote: I doubt holyflare would actually do any fucking substantial legwork, but if he's town and anyone who believes his shitty ass fucking case on me, go read my interaction with dandelion in foundations or my interaction with roundabound (rayn) in GSL and you'll see that anger is not scummy from me. What if I'm super lazy and don't want to read those games. How come you haven't made a 10 player villager list yet?? I find this point more damning than the whole anger thing. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 03 2014 20:31 Koshi wrote: I am currently on page 16 and there is a giant cat holding a taxi. I will be looking at that picture for the next 5 hours. Then I will be able to read the thread. an impressively short time to look at that photo. When you get here what do you think of Palmer/HF self proclaimed town bosses? | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 03 2014 20:34 IAmRobik wrote: It's d1 of a game that started last night and I don't have any strong town reads yet. I haven't been doing that on this site much. I've given my reads as I've gotten them. I think people are playing more scummy than townie so far. Thats not good thats like 70% of my read on you is your villager leans all day. Who all is scummy? Does anyone look town at all? I realize nothing is really very strong but at least use the cool colors the forums offer. | ||
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On April 04 2014 17:28 syllogism wrote: This looks strange given that Oats is/was one of your strongest town reads. What were you hoping to gain from asking this question? Robik: As I understand it, you are a bit more familiar with tehpoofter's play. He understandably was fixated on you early on, but hasn't really been doing anything since then besides asking, from my perspective, unfocused questions. On the other hand, he seems carefree; what do you think? Well I had a read based on very little and in the only game I have played with Oats I was reading him scummy when he was actually town. So I wanted to talk about how other people read him to see if maybe I'm getting the hang of reading Oats or am missing something. I don't understand how asking others to affirm my read on someone is a bad thing at all. Can you or marv (who also commented that is was weird) explain why asking people to comment on a read you have is bad? As for Robik I think he's getting a pass. Reading through the novel that is day 1 he is my biggest scum read... more on this to come in my follow up post. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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Basically in a typical game TownRobik: would be like M, N, O P Q X, Y, Z are town while A, B, C are clear scum. If I was to say "I think X is scum" Robik would say "NO NO NO X is town I already told you this, we need to lynch A B or C I told you guys already" ScumRobik: would be like N Q X Y Z are town while A B are scum and if you were to say X was scum he wouldn't say anything. He also would not pay attention to the game and zone out of it and if confronted as mafia he tends to shut down and either give up or get overly defensive. In this game He did give a list of players: On April 03 2014 20:41 IAmRobik wrote: Holyflare prolly raynpelikoneet prolly Dandel Ion lean iamperfection lean VisceraEyes lean justanothertownie lean Paperscraps Killing I don't have a stance on anyone else because I wasn't reading closely last night cause I was playing HS and was mostly paying attention to people I've played with people. Since that point he has only made 5 reads (One is a resounding null on Balla and he calls hopeless town for linking a video of the joker) + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote: I hate that Palmar is town this game. Rayn also town Marv prolly scum Anyone who this I'm mafia is braindead. Heading to work now. Will post as much as I can there, but we have "important people" coming in for meetings, so I might not be around as much as I'd like. Ummmm, what else. Oh right. If I'm alive tonight, I'm going to be using my night action on Joey (it's nothing bad). I suggest no one target Joey or myself. It might turn out poorly for you. BYE! <3 fuck the haters On April 03 2014 23:35 IAmRobik wrote: Balla read: This is a weird opening post. Neither Rayn nor I were really going after each other, besides rayn trying to blow me up. Then he does RL Then he posts the person that he randed Then he posts: Which, if we're taking into account his pre-game "roll", would fit that style of play Then this post, which also fits that meta: Then wagon of justice. All in all, I would think he was scummy, but taking into account pregame, I would hold off judgement temporarily to see how he plays moving forward On April 03 2014 23:41 IAmRobik wrote: I decided to read Hopeless1der's filter because of this post: I originally thought that he was scummy cause he's just wasting time and trolling a lot, but: This post reaks of town to me. I guess it's just more towny in my eyes to be self-deprecating. On April 04 2014 01:21 IAmRobik wrote: Gumshoe might be scum. Re: Missing words. Underlined and bolded The only post where he does something I would consider townie is this one: On April 04 2014 00:09 IAmRobik wrote: Killing is DEFINITELY town. If you think otherwise, go read Foundations. Of the reads he has made they don't seem like Town Robik reads to me, I would expect him to have reads on 20 or so people in this game. He also has several posts where he claims to be doing other things and uninterested in the thread. I feel this is his mafia play. I feel most confident putting my vote here. ##Vote: IamRobik I think the rage, backlash thing he was doing during the mid day is not really that alignment indicative but his lack of a blanket read on everyone and only defending his reads 1 time reaks of scumRobik | ||
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Tehpoofter
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Paperscrapes had a really interesting post where he read me as null: On April 04 2014 10:46 Paperscraps wrote: .accurate too not probably so ,baseline a as meta mafia video using is This .neutral are far so posts his ,Tehpoofter reading scum anyone for Also .moment the at reprieve a warrant to Enough .genuine somewhat seemed me against attack his but ,forum a on "heated" or "mad" being fake to easier is it know I .now for BlazingHand off back all can We .him by posts more to forward Looking .game this individual headed level ,smart a like seems Sandroba I don't really know what to make of that. I mean I appreciate him defending me but it causes me pause that he feels strongly enough to mention that he has me as null, why even mention it if he doesn't have me as at least leaning one way or the other? I give Paperscrapes scummy points for this. @WoS I asked for an item long ago and am still not on your list, this makes me sad. I don't really care for Palmer's trolling pile system it didn't seem to gain much info for town, but he did seem to be antagonizing Robik with some other folks and I doubt thats a good interaction to have with a scum buddy so I read Palmer more town for this. I need to look at HF more because in the game I played with him where he was town he came out with a bang found a scum and literally never shut up about that. I haven't seen that passion this game. Going to reread his filter though as I know he was caught up in the troll fest that went on for the better part of the last 24 hours. Hf might be scum too but I need to reread his filter as this is more of a feel read of me thinking about his alignment and going "where is the scumhunting tunnel fest that was in titanic?" | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:02 marvellosity wrote: Further to this, Poofter, you claim Robik is uninterested in the thread And yet you have outstanding questions directed to you from other people in the thread that you've seemingly missed yourself. I think that he is around and able to be interested but is not putting effort into the game. I read that as scummy. I am not going to leave out information even if I can't get a majority on my preferred lynch I want my case out there so it can be seen. I would never know if I could get a majority to rally behind it if I don't present it. Why would it be bad for me to bring up a case on anyone at this point that I find scummy? I'm showing there is a max 4 votes on anyone atm so looks like we don't have anything remotely close to a majority atm. So I am going to say that YEs I most definitely could get a majority on scumRobik. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:10 Holyflare wrote: this seems very pre-meditated because i've been posting for a while now and i antagonised robik which he gave palmar town points for but not me? and then he mentions that he hasn't read me but that i could be scum? I looked at the voting thread after reading through the main thread to see where all the votes currently were and you were the top vote getting candidate so I thought "hmm what do I think about HF atm... Well in Titanic he was a mad man and wouldn't shut up about DP (and was very right) I don't recall him saying anything like this this game... in fact I don't think I remember much about HF in this thread he is playing different from his town game maybe he is scum" (granted my sample size with you is very very very small but I can't ignore the sample I have in making a read. And I say you could be scum not are scum. So HF what do you mean by pre-meditated? like what do you mean that I was going to call you scum all along and just didn't have a reason? | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:12 marvellosity wrote: The stuff you missed was asking why you were repeatedly questioning people about your townreads On April 04 2014 19:34 Tehpoofter wrote: Well I had a read based on very little and in the only game I have played with Oats I was reading him scummy when he was actually town. So I wanted to talk about how other people read him to see if maybe I'm getting the hang of reading Oats or am missing something. I don't understand how asking others to affirm my read on someone is a bad thing at all. Can you or marv (who also commented that is was weird) explain why asking people to comment on a read you have is bad? As for Robik I think he's getting a pass. Reading through the novel that is day 1 he is my biggest scum read... more on this to come in my follow up post. ^^^I answered this. I have not as much experience reading OAts (a town read of mine) and was wrong last game so I want some input on it see if maybe someone else has a read that is more experienced with his play or meta that I can go off of cause last game I really thought he was scum and was incorrect. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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So do you like my case on Robik HF? I mean obviously you don't like me thinking you're scum but should you get townie points for antagonizing Robik (I noted it for Palmer while reading but not you I could have missed it and will go back and do so) | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote: Poofter, could you talk about this Paperscraps writing-his-posts-backwards thing? What does it mean? I commented on it when it first happened and I think that Paperscraps as a player likes to make up challenges for himself in video mafia pretty much regardless of what he rolls because he finds it fun. So if he is making up this role(which I think he is cause it seems silly to police if Greymist put it in the game its like a ton of work for him if it turns out the one who gets it likes to have a 10+ page per 24 hours filter) So I really don't read much into it but as I said before he leans more scummy to me for needing to come out with a neutral read on someone. Like I have several neutral reads but there really isn't a reason to mention them. Its like he defends me but doesn't even convince himself? idk just seems odd to me. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:21 Holyflare wrote: no i don't, hence why i told you to read liv where robik looks completely different to this game x_x fair enough I will try to make time to read this. Could you summarize the main points of difference? I'm basing my read off probably 50+ games of video mafia with robik those reads may or may not transfer to forums it remains to be seen, however I think behavior in one medium can definitely come over as I've noticed in people like VE, Geript but sometimes not like for example in Rayn. | ||
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@marv were there any other questions I missed? I think there was one from amiko I needed to look at but I closed the tab with the quote I had saved. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 04 2014 08:01 Amiko wrote: @ tehpoofter - regarding Balla and LSB On Balla Responding to (link) Balla posting a random vote suggestion should not be taken as a serious suggestion, it just doesn’t match my view of his style at all. I could believe he wanted to develop reads from the post. I am a little surprised that Balla rejoined the thread later just for this post, though (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=46#915) since people have been serious about the game. It just feels out of place. @tehpoofter: I know you are calling Balla a girl in those that post and I remember rereading another game where you did the same thing. Would you share your reasons for pretending to misunderstand his gender? Did it give you any reads or useful information in the other game? On LSB I see this as null. Would you explain why you see role hunting regarding button as a slightly scummy move? It seems to me that button-related roles could be scummy as easily as they could be towny. Response to WaveofShadow re: my first post @WaveofShadow: You say that I commented on the most useless things in the game. However, I commented on kiling’s post, agreeing with strongandbig. Why do you think that is useless, particularly given that you asked about the post here? Do you feel like Palmar’s later post here is also useless (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=41#811)? As for me, I’m new to forum mafia, I have played some real life games before. This is my only completed game on this site, it is relatively short if you care to read it. @WaveofShadow: Would you comment on my first post regarding the button? You said it was useless to discuss those topics; if you think that is the case, please explain to me why. @ marvellosity Re: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#701 I read the post while I was in the bath :3 Re: Robik Robik states that he is immune to nightkills. I read this as claim he is a 3rd party role because town would want to stay unclaimed to soak mafia KP. He could be 3rd party, he could be scum, but I don’t feel he is town. @marvellosity You called Robik town. Do you think town robik would claim to be immune to nightkills? @marvellosity: You should save this post too. @Foolishness: unsubscribe -- So moving forward- Re: Paperscraps I do not believe there is an item that requires Paperscraps write backwards. Robik mentions that it would be a pain on Daniel (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#704］link), as does marvellosity (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#712］link), and that’s true. Syllogism correctly points out it is easy to automate reversing your posts (link). But, these comments miss the stronger reason I do not believe him: the burden on the hosts. Hosts who would have to read each and every post carefully to ensure it is properly reverse-formatted. So, I disbelieve Daniel/paperscraps and feel it’s scummy. ##Vote: Paperscraps | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 04 2014 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Year old meta marv? For shame. Also Tehpoofter i thought it was pretty clear I didn't add you to he list because I didn't trust you, but I suppose that May not matter now either way. Could work out in everyone's best interests. When not phoneposting you will be added. You saying you might give me something that will do me harm  Thats not nice! I'm okay being on the list though I always like to roll dice so I think you will realize I'm town and give out the accordingly appropriate items. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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more importantly do other people think that Marv and Robik are likely to be connected as scummates, I know nothing of marv's play so outside input is encouraged. (even if you disagree with me that robik is scum would marv d-up hard day with a teammate?) | ||
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Tehpoofter
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 But if some others can verify I'll definitely take it into account. I think you're wrong on Robik. So I will say I disagree strongly with you and encourage you to reread my case.@Killing, Paperscraps (Maybe VE?) you guys play with Robik do you agree with my case? Also paper lots of heat on you atm why did you null read defend me? | ||
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