EPTIII Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition - Page 5
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Anyway, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Just didn't know if anyone else had seen it first-hand or not. | ||
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On March 21 2014 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can this just be so easy that GT is mafia and Vivax fucked up? I wouldn't call that "easy" necessarily. With GT being the only counterwagon to Vivax that's going to make it a little stranger to lynch him tomorrow for most people I would assume. | ||
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The other side of that is that it's really easy to just not comment on me as scum and let town come to the wrong conclusion. | ||
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Do you understand how I can't take that seriously? | ||
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 I'm watching Vikings tonight! | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:15 Palmar wrote: what I mean to say is that it's not your reads, but your activity and complete lack of influence/contributions that I have a problem with. And tbh, it's easy to have good reads if you're mafia and don't care about bussing. I don't bus unnecessarily. metametametameta | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:24 Palmar wrote: DP actually didn't join the GT wagon until quite late I think. That's the weirdest thing he has done this game, because I recall him being very convinced GT is mafia, but he didn't join the wagon until late. But then again, he instantly jumped the Vivax thing, so he looks quite good for that. Not to mention the dude has a huge filter, no reason really to start thinking about him as mafia unless we start lynching townies. Arguably the Vivax thing was a major catch - one that nearly convinced me and I had a town read on the guy. If a scum DP saw what was happening it's not a far cry to imagine him running some damage control. But yeah, I'm not willing to go that deep yet. Just that DP shouldn't be clear based on the Vivax thing imo. | ||
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There are some things I like about this case and some things I don't. I'm going to look at the points raised and see if they're true/false. Point 1: posts that backtrack themselves one after the other. The DP posts about Holyflare I don't read as backtracking. I see DP giving his read of the situation. Understand that if he's town, then Holy is expecting DP to have an unequivocal read on DP based on their interactions so far, one that he should have no doubt about. I find this unreasonable - especially considering the PAGES of interaction the two had, picking out 2 posts at the very beginning doesn't make me think there's a pattern of backtracking in DP's play, it makes me think Holyflare is grasping. Point 2: spreading doubt about rayn. In my opinion, there isn't much merit to this accusation either. I don't mark this point AGAINST Holy though, just don't agree with it. Point 3: the Coag situation. Now, okay...there is a gray area that no one wants to talk about with regard to policy lynches. They could be good or bad for town and whatever. I don't completely disagree that DP switching up his policies mid-stroke is suspicious, however the fact that Holyflare thinks it's the most damning piece of evidence leaves me thinking that maybe Holy is grasping - that maybe Holy KNOWS his case isn't as great as he thought it was, and he has to sound more sure about it than he actually is. Point 4: Voting Giggle when more sure about Poofter. Meeehhhh. Like, at the time strong voices in the thread were all about a giggle lynch and NOT all about a poofter lynch. Regardless of DP's alignment, I can see him defering to thread sentiment in this case - if he's not familiar with the player in question, it's not unreasonable to assume that DP is just giving him time regardless of what he says. Was DP calling Holy scum at the time of this case? Because part of his point is that DP should "agree with Giggle about me being scum" but as far as I can see DP has been leaning town - wrongminded stubborn and retarded town - on Holyflare. So I found that weird from Holyflare. Point 5: NO U! There is a series of posts here where Holy's all "HE SAID THIS AND IT NOT TRUE!!" I'm not going to comment on all of this because frankly I don't care about their little shit-flinging contest. Suffice to say that I appreciate Holy putting it at the bottom of his case in the post-script. Point 6: Stance on Hopeless/Vote on Giggle. One thing that struck me as odd about this point was how there is a bit of stuff that he's saying DP said here, but doesn't quote it as evidence...stuff like "he liked hopeless' case on me." He also says "He takes no stance on someone that is genuinely scummy", but it looks to me like the stance he takes is "I think he's town, but don't want to fight you guys over his lynch." He very clearly states "I don't think this guy is scum". Like - sounds like taking a stance to me. And like I said earlier, I don't find it particualarly scummy that DP voted giggle when he did over Poofter. Ultimately after going over the case and DP's filter, I don't agree with the case at all and come away from it thinking Holyflare looks worse from it. I still don't think I'd lynch Holyflare, but I certainly don't want to lynch DP based on this case. | ||
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On March 21 2014 07:15 Djodref wrote: I'm not sure about you being mafia or not atm. You have decent reasons to have voted for me but you could answer my questions anyway. I'm trying to figure out your alignment ok ? What made you vote Vivax over me ? When did you get what rayn pointed out about Vivax ? Because your 180 was rather quick. I know I'm town and I believed that there was a chance Vivax was town so I didn't vote for the guy. BASED ON the reasoning Oats is giving here - that he could have been using filters or whatever and that it was all a misunderstanding. However Oats completely changes his stance. He states that he thinks Vivax is using filters but when it looks certain Vivax is going to be lynched, suddenly he agrees that no, he wasn't using filters, that he must be caught scum. | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:36 Palmar wrote: Guys let's everyone call GT mafia now and then talk about how awesome we are. My reason still better than yours. Deal wit it. | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:48 Palmar wrote: Your reason wasn't even a reason. In addition you have like 5 pages of filter so all your opinions are invalid lazy scum. Also, you _still_ need to answer me that question I've asked you like three times and you keep missing because you're not reading the thread. Nah - you still calling me scum so I'm not doing shit for your benefit. <3 @Rayn That's the weird thing about GT - he's got this super strong scumread on Holyflare, and right before his Vivax vote he has this association thing between Holy/Vivax (which I grudgingly agree looks really weird from Holy) but then ultimately concludes that it doesn't matter about Vivax's alignment, that his read on HF is good regardless of Vivax's alignment - but then switches his vote to Vivax out of nowhere. It looks pretty bad - not the same kind of bad as Oats though. Oats actually had an opinion on the situation and completely 180 his stance. GT as far as I can see didn't comment on ur Vivax thing, or rather commented on it as it related to Holyflare, but then switched his vote to Vivax in spite of thinking Holy is the scum in that situation. | ||
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On March 21 2014 17:59 Palmar wrote: VE still hasn't answered me who was scumreading him at the time. The reason I'm so insistent on getting the answer is that I don't think anyone was. In fact if I recall correctly people were being like super reasonable about him being afk, and then he comes back moaning that people have a scumread on him, which seems like massive oversensitivity about his own alignment. If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum. | ||
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