On March 20 2014 07:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
i'll be perfectly honest, i'm voting GT due to self preservation. VE could have been interpreted as saying something similar even if he wasnt as articulate.

Given the nice vote chart you just posted how do you explain this self-preservation thingy?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:40 GMT

#2222

This is the vote count at that time:

On March 20 2014 07:51 geript wrote:
DarthPunk (1): Holyflare
Coagulation (0): ~~DarthPunk~~, ~~raynpelikoneet~~, ~~thrawn2112~~
Holyflare (1): Giggletummy
Tehpoofter (1): DarthPunk
Hopeless1der (0): ~~raynpelikoneet~~
djodref (3): Oatsmaster, Koshi, thrawn2112
Giggletummy (3): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, VisceraEyes,

Not Voting: djodref, Vivax, tehpoofter, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:42 GMT

#2223

No i am talking about the point where you voted for Giggletummy ~24h ago.
You said you voted for self-preservation. What makes you think you needed to "self preservate" given the vote count at that time (i just posted it)?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:43 GMT

#2226

Okay that makes more sense.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:45 GMT

#2229

I have a problem because there is some scum(mers) hiding somewhere and i don't know where.
I refuse to believe both of Djodref and GT are mafia because it does not make any sense. And even if they are there is still at least one scum somewhere and i don't know where.

plz halp guis!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:48 GMT

#2233

Hopeless is fine as long as he sheeps the right people even if he does not do anything else.
When there is 1 mafia left and he still has not done anything then lynch him maybe.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 21:52 GMT

#2234

On March 21 2014 06:47 thrawn2112 wrote:

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why aren't you allowed to call ve mafia

Because this is my read on VE:
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Someone else needs to do something about VE. I think he is mafia but every time he answers me i think he is town because of how he answers me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 22:02 GMT

#2242

On March 21 2014 06:54 Djodref wrote:

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Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it.
I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually...

Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help.
I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to.
In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything.

Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum.
In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case.

So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one.

I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players.

So who do you think is mafia?
In your scenarios you basically present an argument that mafia are in high volume posters but didn't do anything to push their preferred lynch. How does that make sense?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 22:03 GMT

#2245

On March 21 2014 07:03 Oatsmaster wrote:

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Everyone pushed you so you dont feel like there is scum in the game at all?

ahahah

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 22:08 GMT

#2249

Okay now we got to something. Why do you think those people are mafia?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 22:10 GMT

#2252

That is in fact really weird. "VE has a chance of being mafia but i think he is town".
What does that even mean?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 20 2014 22:18 GMT

#2256

On March 21 2014 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well I'm town. Rayn explain the actual reasons you think I'm scum and I'll try and explain myself. I feel like showing /you/ that I'm town and taking myself off your plate is going to be a huge boon for town going into tomorrow.

Just don't say "Just find scum" because people say shit like that to me all the time when I /am/ and /have been/ looking for scum.

I think there are some weird things you have said in this game like the GT stuff that i still don't fully get and the Vivax thingy at the end of D1. You have not been very productive in my opinion, although this does not necessarily mean you are mafia. On the other hand when you post the way you post reads very townie to me and all this confuses me a lot.

So there is not much i can say other than i would like you to participate into discussions more if that's possible.