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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#792
On March 06 2014 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
you're rarely right about anything, never mind everything, dear.
That's just like, your opinion, man.

I'm always right about something I think? Maybe not that first FiveTouch game, and not my first newbie.

But I'm certainly right that the OP says roles are gonna get tweaked and sometimes we'll know that and sometimes it will be a ... happy accident. And I'm certainly right that a plan requiring 7-8 roles to work as expected OR ELSE PEOPLE DIE is not my favorite plan, and shouldn't be yours.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:02 GMT
#795
On March 06 2014 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
yes, you've made that point and obviously everything cannot be 100% regimented after all, can you do something cool like find some mafia now?
I want to talk to oats and prplhz. Working on it.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:03 GMT
#796
rayn has ALL SORTS of plans, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

rayn voting half the game within a couple hours is the thing that most points towards him being a thingy, and the thingy is town
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:03 GMT
#797
(although I haven't seen it on D1, and I don't think most of his votes were real suspicions, so ... salt)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:19 GMT
#801
HEY PRPLHZ. YOU ARE MY PERSONAL IDOL.

Do you believe rayn's plan to be the bee's knees? If no, but you had to follow it ALMOST exactly, what single modification would you make in order to create your own plan that you could sell to the voting public as entirely original and better than his?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:24 GMT
#804
On March 06 2014 11:21 prplhz wrote:
i'm not familiar with this "bee's knees" expression please explain
The best
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:27 GMT
#805
Or good or nice or neat or jolly good or tip top or splendid or awesome

Old-timey expression
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:43 GMT
#808
Have I just been a raving lunatic?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:45 GMT
#809
(I think I find the mushy bits of that post to ... feel town mushy, even though it ends on the corny action-movie-sergeant "it doesn't matter, recruit, let's just hunt us some scum *cocks gun* note. I don't remember you being super duper wordy, and that's a lot of words even to just explain maybe this maybe that)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 02:59 GMT
#812
Is LSB a raving lunatic?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:14 GMT
#1396
howdy
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:18 GMT
#1401
On March 07 2014 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
hey. i'm thinking about having you lynched. how's that?
normal for you as either alignment.

It's about time in D1 for you to be getting people to vote me. I'd say it's a bad idea though
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:20 GMT
#1404
On March 07 2014 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 08:18 austinmcc wrote:
On March 07 2014 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
hey. i'm thinking about having you lynched. how's that?
normal for you as either alignment.

It's about time in D1 for you to be getting people to vote me. I'd say it's a bad idea though

when have i ever tried to lynch you as mafia?
Liquid City, off the top of my head. I was afk D1, except for a small period, and you tried to get people to switch onto me at some point.

Not particularly hard maybe? I dunno.

I mainly remember that game because of the stupid node wagon and then wankfiend stuff
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:21 GMT
#1406
That one was different. marv normally at least mentions me being afk and sort of half-heartedly wants to lynch me every D1 at some point.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:23 GMT
#1411
Yeah, thanks for that. And yeah, can produce content. I'ma go find a non-yamato to lynch and continue to say that people should take defensive and investigative roles, and that planning actions based on roles working like you're specifically told they may not is a bad idea.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:23 GMT
#1413
(is someone reading them aloud to you?)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#1416
Rough Filters:

LSB likely town.

Hates rayn's plan. Lots of focus on JOAT. If he's mafia and wants to derail rayn's plan, he should be at least doing SOMETHING with me. He doesn't even INTERACT with me while I'm also explaining why relying on roles to work like you're told they may not is a bad idea. He dislikes my nemesis post, because he misreads it, but that's literally ALL HE DOES with my posts.

Mafia could call me scummy. Mafia that thinks rayn's plan is bad for them can try to egg me on. He didn't.

There's also this post:
On March 06 2014 15:43 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing is i literally offered to get lynched if something goes south in my plan so LSB needs to explain why he does not want to out mafia!rayn. Also gumshoe needs to do the same thing.

How does that confirm you as town?

This is a lose lose situation.

If you are town and things go south, you get lynch, worse things happen
If you are mafia and things go south, well you just pass a increadibly mafia favored plan so you guys are probably going to win anyways
This is like a...very reasonable response? Rayn's so caught up in his own silliness and calling anyone who doesn't agree mafia, and rayn is basically saying "If something goes wrong, it will be because I'm mafia rayn because my plan is 1000% foolproof, and then you guys lynch me after something goes wrong. Good for town!"

But this is such a ... good response. If rayn believes 100000% in his plan, and things go WRONG with the plan, then LSB is right. There's no upside. Either rayn is trying to get a townie lynched, or rayn is mafia AND THE WHOLE PLAN WAS CREATED BY MAFIA IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD THING.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:35 GMT
#1417
rayn, that post of LSB. Do you see what he's saying? Do you disagree with his thoughts?

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:38 GMT
#1421
On March 07 2014 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fucking tired of discussing this with you two because you have no idea what you are talking about.
I can read or post. Also I don't think we've discussed anything. You were entirely gone while I was posting yesterday, and I was gone while you were initially posting.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 06 2014 23:46 GMT
#1424
On March 06 2014 22:21 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:48 prplhz wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:47 yamato77 wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:43 Xatalos wrote:
You mean to say "no" with this post?

On March 06 2014 05:29 yamato77 wrote:
On March 06 2014 05:14 prplhz wrote:
Hi. yamato i really want to know what you think about me

Not caught up yet.

Some time before numbers are due I'll read the rest of the thread.


Still not reading close enough.

This is almost comical.

Just to make this end.

link


Lol.... Dunno how I could miss that post. Phoneposting sucks etc. Well, that's good then.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i'll keep track of this:
1. Palmar [1,1]
2. Oatsmaster [3,1]
3. prplhz
4. Hopeless1der
5. Artanis[Xp] [11,11]
6. marvellosity
7. yamato77
8. austinmcc
9. Xatalos
10. gumshoe [2,?]
11. LSB [2,1]
12. raynpelikoneet [2,1]


I picked 8 4 in the end. Seems like it wasn't such a good idea... There were less clashes than I thought.

I also sent in my role choice, but apparently this choice isn't permanent, so it's not like it matters too much.

A lot has happened while I was away. Mainly austin and gumshoe have come under new suspicion. Both resisted rayn's plan for bad reasons. Also LSB remains as a suspect. prphlz not so much anymore. I dunno about him, but at least he's pretty active in the discussion, so I'm not too fond of lynching him.

I'm not truly sold on gumshoe. His stance against rayn here reminds me of his stance against me in GoT Mafia (I was pretty clearly townie and putting in a lot of effort, but he kept opposing me for dumb reasons). Then he pretty much went AFK and was town KP'd. On the other hand, as scum (granted it was a long time ago) he was a lot more passive and unnoticeable. Does he do this thing where he baits a lynch on himself as scum nowadays?

austin... He's really focused on a pretty irrelevant topic (unlikely host speculation). I guess he does have a point, but it's not like all the roles will be greatly changed (maybe like DT, but probably not much else). I don't think it's that bad to talk about this topic in itself, but he hasn't really done anything else worthwhile. Most importantly he has done nothing to help with the D1 lynch and has just 100% focused on a pretty irrelevant branch of the PYP stuff. He's certainly null at best and slightly scummy at worst (for contributing in a way that's overall not helpful and even anti-town by distracting the discussion and undermining rayn's plan).

LSB has also mostly attacked rayn's plan, but at least he had some slight contributions to scumhunting (rayn+austin+Hopeless). Although he seems VERY fast to jump to conclusions (rayn Mafia for shaky reasons, austin Mafia for one post (?), Hopeless Mafia for sheeping...). His crusade against rayn is also very tunnely and doesn't seem genuinely concerned about the best direction for town. It's more like he just wants to attack it for the sake of attacking it, not to determine if it's truly useful or not. His play is just pretty scummy and even at best it's just null.

Hopeless seems to have dropped from the discussion entirely. He's an extreme sheep but I don't really think he's Mafia for it. More like just lazy/insecure. We'll see if he'll push anything of his own.

I'm starting to feel pretty scum on yamato. True, he didn't pick 1 1 at the start, but even more worryingly he's become very antagonistic and useless. It's kinda like here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=yamato77 On the other hand, as town, he usually feels quite townish (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=yamato77 - although it was a PM game so part of his contributions were in PM land).

My preferred lynches would be yamato/LSB/austin atm. gumshoe doesn't really fit in my lynch candidates unless I'm convinced that this is scum gumshoe playing like this (against my experiences with him).

Also someone pointed out that there isn't necessary a Survivor in this setup. And that seems to be the case currently, I guess.
xatalos,

why did I "resist rayn's plans for bad reasons"? What are my reasons and why are they bad? How's the resisting bad, but then later you say I have a point, and it's not bad to talk about the topic. I know those aren't entirely non-congruent, but ... what reasons and why bad?
Fe fi fo fum.
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