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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:38 GMT
#860
Guys. I know what i am talking about. I know because so so many times i have done the same thing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:46 GMT
#870
Les Mafia indicates JJD is town this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:47 GMT
#872
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 20:55 GMT
#881
On February 27 2014 05:52 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta?

I think he's town but that's only based on his post about having to go to his computer to post or something.

WaveofShadow
Holyflare
gumshoe
Ange777
Toadesstern
Cavalinho
JarJarDrinks
TheChyz soft tho
suki
raynpelikoneet
Mocsta soft tho
Vivax
Geript

So what do yout hink about suki and gumshoe? I haven't really looked at them.

I really don't like Mocsta's posting at all. His reasoning for calling people scum or discrediting them is what he does as scum. Yes gumshoe could be mafia. suki is a wildcard at the moment, i need her to post more and actually comment on what she wants to comment on and not what other people want her to comment on.

What is it that you don't like about Holyflare?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:11 GMT
#890
On February 27 2014 05:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta?

bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though.


also adding to this, you seem to agree with a lot of what mocsta is saying but he's also in your bottom three over people like chyz that everyone and their mother has been discussing? don't get it

ctrl-f mocsta my filter and tell me where.

The only time I "agree" with him is this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 22:09 Toadesstern wrote:
oh Mocsta already came to the rescue. Good boy.


I also want an answer to this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:18 GMT
#893
What's the difference in how Wave handles scumspects Vivax/gumshoe?
You are not really pointing out what it is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:20 GMT
#894
On February 26 2014 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is where Mocsta makes a big fucking post on suki:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:57 Mocsta wrote:
hmmm started off by wanting to write a case on Suki but now ended up as nullish.

Anyways for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +

(1)
On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote:
Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now.

I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells.

Right now my spell list is:

##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote.
For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it.
"I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah
.
The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset.


(2)
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
So are you saying I'm scummy?
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Scummiest so far, yes
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
So then why isn't your vote on me?
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.-
And something I throw out as scum all the time.

Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.

Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
lol what.

##vote Mocsta

I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.

Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked).
I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null.
I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum.

HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger.


(3)
The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat.


Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way.

Now it's quite clear he has put a lot of thought into this case (regardless of the conclusion) if he is town. Okay, that means he has read suki's posts with thought and this is not a "okay let's just throw something from the top of my head" type of a post.

The only thing suki posts after this is "I still think Mocsta is my #1 scumread. cya tomorrow".
This is something that is at best a null post for town!Mocsta because it doesn't really say anything new.

This is what Mocsta posts next:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Caught up and re-read

Current reads:

Wave
Suki
Gumshoe
Calvalinho
toadesstern

ange777
jarjardrinks
vivax
geript

Holyflare
thechyz
rayn


Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work.

Now, suddenly, suki is his top 2 town read, which makes no sense based on what suki has done between these two posts from Mocsta.

Possible explanations for contradiction are:
  • The first post is in fact not so thought out Mocsta implies -> Mocsta is mafia because there is no town motivation to make that kind of a post if he in fact has just skimmed through the posts and not paid real attention.
  • The second post where he says suki is suddenly town is a leap of logic -> Mocsta is mafia because townies do not change their mind for no reason.

Now, there is no fucking reason why Mocsta would go from reasoning(post1) to reasoning(post2) unless one of the above is true.

geript comment on this, the bullet points are the important part which Mocsta most likely deliberately ignored.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:23 GMT
#897
On February 27 2014 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's the difference in how Wave handles scumspects Vivax/gumshoe?
You are not really pointing out what it is.


WoS votes gumshoe, asks for metaless case. Gumshoe says he has some stuff at hand but waits for it to unfold. WoS becomes entirely disinterested into his request and gives him a townread.

JJD asks me about Chyz, I say I have a not-scumread, but I won't expand on it cause it would be counterproductive in my eyes for the aforementioned reasons. According to WoS I am withholding information from town and scummy.

Hmm okay that makes more sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:38 GMT
#904
On February 27 2014 06:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:25 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Well this is a bad post.

Are you going to tell me now that all our IRC conversations about Toad were lies?

In my opinion, if you are town, and you dont respect a players ability as town you tend to avoid reading their alignment (e.g. Slam)

Early game you are chasing ppl you feel confident about reading that can help you.

Frankly, the reason I asked your opinion on wave was because I thought we could be useful together if you are town since we just played scum together.
Given that decision I took, it is indeed odd to me you did the same but with Toad.


In case anyone wonders because I've been mostly spending my time on geript and didn't get to explain more in detail. The above is one of the main reasons I don't like mocsta atm.

This post makes very little sense from a town PoV imo. Okay I get that Rayn doesn't respect my townplay and I would have guessed so. Now I don't know what those irc talks are about but telling him to ignore me is just bullshit. Rayn doesn't respect my townplay, no shit sherlock, if he did he'd be voting geript right now...
But not respecting my townplay doesn't mean he should just toss me in a corner and not try to read me. That's one of the most anti-town idea's I've ever read.

I can actually say the feeling's quite mutual and I think rayn is aware of that. I am sure he knows I'm taking digs at him for being wrong A LOT in... I always forget the name... the parity cop game I already referenced. Still I do end up with a read on him and Mocsta isn't holding that against me.

The reason that's a yellow and not an orange in my sheet is because I have no idea what thse irc talks were like but anyways, don't like that sentiment.

The problem is that's not true and Mocsta knows it.
I always look at the games from "this game" perspective. The person whose townplay i respect the least (besides supersoft because he is just a whiny bitch) is Oats, and yet, in every game i treat Oats as i treat any other player until he starts doing stupid stuff. Always, AL-FUCKING-WAYS! Read the post i posted about Oats/Toad SMB post game, this one:
On January 27 2014 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 27 2014 10:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well grack self voting and afking, an arbitrary cop claim from toad+ afking. Oats and skan literally "no u" for a good portion of the game.

This was a solid example of what NOT to do when you are town.

Games like that are basically unwinnable as town (ie WC2) and I can understand why Rayn sometimes has to play the way he does. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much that can be done about it sometimes and you gotta just keep pushing through.

I have a dream that one day policy will push through and become the norm if people want to do that sort of thing.

I policy lynch a shitton. I just do it after i see who are playing and who are not. I don't like policy lynching at the game start based on "this dude will not help anyways", i think that's dumb.

Mocsta knows this! Again, I never, ever, at the start of the game think "yeah i can't read this guy so i ignore him". NEVER.

The only point of that post by Mocsta is to grow distrust between Toad and me for some arbitary reason he made up. Maybe even make Toad go nuts on me for some IRC conversation i don't even remember, yes, i may have bitched about Toad's play after the SMB game but that NEVER translates to another game BEFORE something similar happens in this PARTICULAR game.

AND MOCSTA KNOWS IT! 100%
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:41 GMT
#905
On February 27 2014 06:30 geript wrote:
No I get that read coming from Moc. Again I'm not super town on him, but I know how he could transition between those reads after thinking about it. I actually think the scummiest thing (a few times at that) that Moc has said was about Suki's question, "if I'm scum to you why aren't you voting for me?" Moc has off and on used that as a heuristic for catching scum. Even if it isn't a good one him insta reading her scum for that question felt really weird from town Moc.

That's not the point. The point is he does a big read on suki's posts, and ends up in a null read on her. Then he "re-reads the thread" and has a different read on suki. Now what was the point of the FIRST post? He says he didn't even read closely but still he was able to write one of his biggest posts in the game on it?!??!!?!? Seriously?

He is basically saying his first post is bullshit for some reason. Well the effort put on the post doesn't seem like bullshit to me. Much effort = bullshit post in Mocsta's opinion.

Usually it goes another way around.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:47 GMT
#908
On February 27 2014 06:42 geript wrote:
Meh I don't take it that way Rayn. Nappy nap time

But that's the way it is.
If i read the thread first time as it grows, and call you out for most of your posts and in the end make a post that ends up in "null", and after a while i say you are town for the same shit, what do you ask yourself?

1) Why is this contradictory?
2) Why does the guy call out my posts as the thread grows but now calls me town for it?
3) Did he not read the thread closely the first time? But fuck, he did even do a full re-read of my posts as he EVEN STARTED TO BUILD A CASE on me.. but ended up on null. Now he did another re-read of the thread (my posts) and calls me town.

Okay so, this guy has read my posts THREE times. Has three different conclusions.. Okay maybe the first one and the second one can be explained by misreading. But fuck, THREE TIMES?!?!? No fucking way.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 21:49 GMT
#910
Not to mention he has PUT EFFORT in reading EVERY TIME!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:05 GMT
#915
On February 27 2014 06:57 geript wrote:
If that's the case then you need to explain how Moc is different from Toad then. Because toad is like sacred terrify for you but doing the same shit.

Because Toad has clear train of thought that does not change for no reason which is totally different from Mocsta.
He has a read and he is pushing the read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:08 GMT
#917
In fact geript you need to explain why you think Toad is doing "the same shit Mocsta is".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:11 GMT
#919
No what gerpit is accusing you of is totally not what i just described of Mocsta.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:13 GMT
#921
On February 27 2014 06:32 Holyflare wrote:
kiterayn, why does mocsta hate me so much?

also read this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078&currentpage=40#794

Yes i read that and i agree with you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:14 GMT
#922
Actually just fuck it. I am really sure Mocsta is mafia.
##unvote
##Vote: Mocsta
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:45 GMT
#929
gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads.

Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:47 GMT
#932
Shit i think i have cracked Holyflare's meta completely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 26 2014 22:49 GMT
#933
On February 27 2014 07:47 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads.

Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please.



Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count.

Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives?
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