On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote:
I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way.

So what do you think. Is that all you see in my posts? Because if it is and you are right then i am pretty surely mafia because i am not some random noob who says irrelevant stuff as town.

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February 20 2014 00:49 GMT

#230

On February 20 2014 09:48 Koshi wrote:

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Do I vote for you or on myself?

I'll tell you who to vote for later. You could help too.

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February 20 2014 00:54 GMT

#236

Interesting. HAs anyone else have anything to say about this?

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February 20 2014 00:55 GMT

#240

On February 20 2014 09:54 marvellosity wrote:
Hello everyone. Do I need to read before I go to bed? A quick skim of this page and everything looks super serious already.

On February 20 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
When marv comes in, he'll explain my posts to everyone. Trust me, he has do to that, even as mafia. Then we lynch mafia.

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February 20 2014 01:05 GMT

#245

On February 20 2014 10:04 Palmar wrote:
Like I don't mind you asking questions, but please believe my answers. If I say I don't know if it makes rayn scum, then that probably means I don't know if it makes rayn scum.

How can you agree with prplhz's vote if you don't think i am necessarily scum?

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February 20 2014 01:10 GMT

#249

My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after.

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February 20 2014 01:13 GMT

#254

On February 20 2014 10:11 Palmar wrote:

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I'm asking exactly for your motives. But for some reason you don't seem to want to tell me?

You are supposed to make educated guesses about my motives and post your conclusions about them. Apparently you don't understand them. That's technically fine. What's not fine is you blindly soft +1 prplhz and Toad while saying you don't understand what's going on.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 01:26 GMT

#267

So here we go (marv i would have expected a bit more from you, i am sad):

There are three possibilities about my motives and here they are:

1) I am town and this is my thought process; I misunderstood the setup as i have already explained and thought the votes from previous days are added to the current days votes. That's why i made my plan in the first place. Now this would have been the most pro-town plan because i would have later on brought up the fact that we should treat this as a majority lynch and at the end of the day people who are not in the majority wagon put their votes on themselves. In that way we would have eliminated any cons for the town in setup we possibly can, which is pretty much everything other than the randomness which we can't eliminate.

However, that was not the case. Now, i still stand behind my "if you "unvote", vote yourself" plan because of this. If we do not push this policy it leads to possibly stupid and irrelevant questions like "you don't think this dude is scum anymore, why is your vote still on him?". We don't want that because we benefit from clarity and it's beneficial we know exactly WHEN and WHY people drop their scumreads and where they head next. If they don't have next target they should inform that by voting for themselves. This prevents mafia from misrepresenting people because you can always back up your thoughts with your actions in thread (most importantly voting). Having no possibility to unvote is pro-mafia, if you't agree with that you need to explain me why. It's never irrelevant where your vote is at.

2) I did the same pro-town thing as mafia.

3) I just made all this up and and i was just saying shit for no reason at the start of the game.

Now here is my question, especially to prplhz, Toad, Palmar and suki;
Why did you not try to see what i was/am trying to do and how that would make me whatever alignment. What you did is you took some posts from me and painted them scummy without no thinking behind it. I want to know why.

If what i was doing was (1), then i am town.
If what i was doing is (2), you can't tell my alignment.
If what i was doing is (3), then you are saying i am some random noob which this post already proves i am not because i would have came up with a decent explanation on the fly.

So again, why am i mafia? Especially prplhz and Toad?

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 01:44 GMT

#277

Palmar the problem is not that if you make it clear or not. It's if other people think you are being clear or not which is not always so easily said. You know how this shit works, scum misrepresent everything people do because that's how you lynch townies. Why not reduce the possible amount of misrepresentations by an easy policy that does no harm in any case?

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February 20 2014 01:52 GMT

#280

Toadesstern do you think being able to unvote in general is pro-town or pro-mafia?

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February 20 2014 01:53 GMT

#281

On February 20 2014 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:

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there's plenty of people throwing around votes in every single game, for fun, for policy, for random reasons or whatever else.
So if it's not a problem in any other game, why do you think it's going to be a problem in this one to the point that you think we should make a "no voting someone else unless you're super certain" policy?
Do you actually think it's something that should be policy in every game?

That's not what i am saying. Stop fucking twisting my words or l2read. I am already getting mad at you and that's not what i want.

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February 20 2014 01:56 GMT

#283

Not yet Palmar.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 01:57 GMT

#285

Well you can!

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February 20 2014 01:59 GMT

#288

So why do you think i am mafia Toad?

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:00 GMT

#289

Don't dance around the issue and make a clear case.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:03 GMT

#291

suki is probably mafia.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:06 GMT

#293

On February 20 2014 11:04 Toadesstern wrote:
I wasn't able to come up with a reason for you to propose what you did as town while being able come up with a reasoning for it as mafia despite it being a sketchy reasoning. So I wanted you to explain yourself.
It's basicly the same way I caught mafia the last game were you got me lynched. Remember the miller thing that I pointed out 3 hours into the game and I wasn't sure what to make of it early on? It's literally the same thing and I'm not liking it one bit.

Well i came up with a reasoning, why is my reasoning not possible and how does it not line up with my actions in thread?
Just because you don't understand something does not mean i can't possibly make sense.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:07 GMT

#294

I don't give a fuck about what you did last game because if you had "caught mafia" you would have lynched VayneAutority which you did not do.

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:08 GMT

#295

##unvote
##Vote: suki

raynpelikoneet

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February 20 2014 02:14 GMT

#297

Pro tip for any possible competent scum out there. Read my posts. I guarantee you get easy mislynches later on when you first eliminate townies that use their brain.