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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 10:56 GMT
#3156
On February 18 2014 19:39 Palmar wrote:
Btw holy, since you know VE and I are confirmed town, you only have to find one townie (assuming you're town yourself) in the remaining 4 players (Oats, Yam, WoS and Risen).

I'd like to know who that player is. That way I know what your current scum-team theory is.


Well I've already said all of this, oats "looks" towny based on times he was around and things he was saying, like when I pretty much rage quit and you were discussing me, if he was scum who could just afk the thread but he explained why I was angry with you etc etc and showed that I was just annoyed that nobody was discussing anything, I haven't really looked at his filter but I can already assume it's full of nothing really so that isn't a help and if he's the last towny then it will be a hassle but I think he most likely is the last towny.

Wave, got angry with thread about ? a lot but never really discussed anything, afk'd a lot, hasn't delivered.

Yamato, only really talked about cora, afk'd a lot, angry at us ?

Risen, never quantifies reads into anything. Pushed the rhetoric about "we must lynch hf when grack flips town", I even said it would give more information for everyone when grack flipped scum and he was so happy about agreeing and then kept pushing for me to trade with grack if he was town.. only talks about lynch orders and wants to be lynched after me = lost game because I will flip town. Switched off me being scum when oats posted stuff that was bad:

On February 17 2014 23:30 Risen wrote:
So... next two lynches wave then oats? No one comes up with a scum team of risen, yamato, wave.

Game is solved as long as no one in the nomination circle is scum.

See hf? You might be town and tomato might be scum. Oats just did you a real solid and this should be a plan you can get behind.


Completely ditched this like 4 posts after and wants oats lynched after him lol??? Yamato never features in his lists again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 11:01 GMT
#3158
On February 18 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 09:27 Koshi wrote:
If scum wins and Holyflare is scum do I get the belt for being scum MVP?


Fuck it, I'm blaming Koshi for saving HF if HF is scum.

So let's assume HF is town.


I was so ready to die x_x TYYYYY KOSHI BRO <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 11:05 GMT
#3163
potentially 2/4 aint bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 12:26 GMT
#3168
Will talk about it when I'm back in :o!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 19:18 GMT
#3223
On February 19 2014 04:16 Risen wrote:
Hmm... so I'm guessing the game is ending today? I'm going to put my vote on yamato but I have a really, really hard time believing wave, oats, ve are all town. Just one of them will have to move. Regardless, we'll see.

##vote: yamato77



Haven't you just repeatedly given us a lynch order that never featured yamato and now you're sheeping onto him without discussing it at all?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 19:19 GMT
#3224
Despite you clearly implicating he must be town by poe previously
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 19:20 GMT
#3226
You're right there is scum on him now!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:02 GMT
#3240
I... don't even understand???? What planet do you come from where dead people's reads become 100% truth?

He was pushing wave and me for the past 3 days and just sheeped onto yamato with no reasoning and no discussion despite there being 6 hours left to talk about it and then when I pointed out that by poe yamato shouldn't be his first candidate he just blew up and self voted?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:04 GMT
#3243
y ppl so angry T_T
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:05 GMT
#3244
but yeh, palmar we HAVE HAVE HAVE to determine oats' alignment right now because he's gone to sleep
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:09 GMT
#3246
Why do you think the reverse of me !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:11 GMT
#3248
I think oats is town :o
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:15 GMT
#3251
I was away for that bro! and I've definitely posted 1 or 2 things for him being town but I'm just comparing his meta's now and i'll get back with more info!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:44 GMT
#3267
On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town :o


If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen.

Good to know where you stand

Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats?


Major deja vu...... this happened today already??

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=158#3156


ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to)

Ego Mini Mafia - Scum
Doctor Who Mafia - Scum
Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town
Roulette Mini Mafia - Town

Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised.

Here, for example:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci
Read his filter now


He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game.

Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question.
It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post.
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:39 sciberbia wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling?

On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace?

Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS..

Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions.

Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him
##Vote: Sci

So Palmar any initial reads?

On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wtf has Ace been doing all this while?

This post especially
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 12:52 Ace wrote:


But him saying people shouldn't be allowing me to do "nothing" because I've got a rep resonated with me. I love when players say that so I kinda want to keep him around for that.


Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT.
Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town.

He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch.
Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions)

Also he posts this,
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote:
I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting.


And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS.

Just asks a random question

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 12:32 Ace wrote:
is Rayne always this impulsive?

???

Marv is scum Ace generally useless?

On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 01:15 Tunkeg wrote:
On April 06 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing.

How is this not complaining? DUDES YOU POSTED SO USELESS STUFF.

I want you to answer my question, not to get annoyed.

What? I dont feel how I generated this hostility.


Mocsta 2.0?


It is not complaining, it is just an observation. What question do you want me to answer? How we get more content? We get more content from discussing what have happend in thread. Usefull stuff, not things like how do you propose we get more content. I don't know where you are going with this, so I'll just leave it at that.



I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS.




Im waiting
*taps foot*

On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
By your command Marv.

This is why I want to lynch scib
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci
Read his filter now


He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game.

Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question.
It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post.
On April 05 2013 09:39 sciberbia wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling?

On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace?

Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS..

Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions.

Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him
##Vote: Sci

So Palmar any initial reads?


Do you agree/disagree and WHY?


Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hai guise.
Just finished an exam, did well on another and I'm feelin' gooooooooood.
SO whass all this I come back to? Errrboddy got a scum read on me yet nobody wants to throw a vote over this way, huh?
K.

Hai Oats. It's a pleasure to be in a game with you finally. Apparently Marv's vote on Ace was a joke and some sort of bait into seeing if he could get anyone else to vote with him so he could name them scummy? Or something? He calls Rayn looney but agrees with his horribly bad analysis of my 3 posts...not sure why such a seemingly solid player is associating himself with a read like that but anyway....do YOU have a read on me or any opinion regarding Ace?


I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it.

Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him.

this is all from ego mafia where he was scum (I think you were in that game palmar?). He wants to discuss things and comes out with information about people, he makes cases, he puts in an effort to GET people lynched because after all that's his win con - lynch off not scum.

Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

Friday nights man, busy stuff.

Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome.
Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying.
Now who is scum?

Deconduo.
What marv said which was,
Hit and run case on Ghost.
Mafia favored plan.


What else that solidified my read on him was
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...


Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'.
What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?.
Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out.
Show nested quote +

I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to...

The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in.
His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity.

Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard.

##Vote Oatsmaster

Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!.
Then he disappears and comes back with
I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth.

Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto.

Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+

On May 18 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

Friday nights man, busy stuff.

Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome.
Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying.
Now who is scum?

Deconduo.
What marv said which was,
Hit and run case on Ghost.
Mafia favored plan.


What else that solidified my read on him was
On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...


Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'.
What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?.
Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out.

I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to...

The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in.
His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity.

Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard.

##Vote Oatsmaster

Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!.
Then he disappears and comes back with
I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth.

Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto.

Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+



Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
grush57: Starsenses. Town.
slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town
kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum
raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum.
strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town.
sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum
kitaman27: dead
Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town.
Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know.
Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town.
shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude.
VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce).
prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky.
ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town.
WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum.
Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass.
HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep.
Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town.
VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null.
chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum.
DarthPunk: ded

he posts lists of information on people to show where he stands etc, not a push on anyone.


Now, compare that to this game. He has lynch choices, he votes people and the reasoning is because of overlying reasons based on their gameplay this game rather than the wall of quotes from scum games that he uses to overjustify his reads to people. He posts things that make sense:



and is eliminating people as town reads, which is the right thing to do in this situation by events that are happening rather than pushing an agenda of voting for someone with quotes which he would need to do if he was scum right now[spoiler][QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town :o

If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen.

Good to know where you stand

Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats?

Major deja vu...... this happened today already??

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=158#3156]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=158#3156[/url]


ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to)

[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Ego Mini Mafia[/url] - Scum
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Doctor Who Mafia[/url] - Scum
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Carnival Cruise Mafia[/url] - Town
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Roulette Mini Mafia[/url] - Town

Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised.

Here, for example:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci
Read his filter now


He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game.

Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question.
It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post.
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:39 sciberbia wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling?

On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace?

Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS..

Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions.

Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him
##Vote: Sci

So Palmar any initial reads?

On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wtf has Ace been doing all this while?

This post especially
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 12:52 Ace wrote:


But him saying people shouldn't be allowing me to do "nothing" because I've got a rep resonated with me. I love when players say that so I kinda want to keep him around for that.


Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT.
Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town.

He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch.
Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions)

Also he posts this,
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote:
I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting.


And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS.

Just asks a random question

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 12:32 Ace wrote:
is Rayne always this impulsive?

???

Marv is scum Ace generally useless?

On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 01:15 Tunkeg wrote:
On April 06 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing.

How is this not complaining? DUDES YOU POSTED SO USELESS STUFF.

I want you to answer my question, not to get annoyed.

What? I dont feel how I generated this hostility.


Mocsta 2.0?


It is not complaining, it is just an observation. What question do you want me to answer? How we get more content? We get more content from discussing what have happend in thread. Usefull stuff, not things like how do you propose we get more content. I don't know where you are going with this, so I'll just leave it at that.



I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS.




Im waiting
*taps foot*

On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
By your command Marv.

This is why I want to lynch scib
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On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci
Read his filter now


He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game.

Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question.
It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post.
On April 05 2013 09:39 sciberbia wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling?

On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace.

Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace?

Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS..

Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions.

Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him
##Vote: Sci

So Palmar any initial reads?


Do you agree/disagree and WHY?


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On April 06 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hai guise.
Just finished an exam, did well on another and I'm feelin' gooooooooood.
SO whass all this I come back to? Errrboddy got a scum read on me yet nobody wants to throw a vote over this way, huh?
K.

Hai Oats. It's a pleasure to be in a game with you finally. Apparently Marv's vote on Ace was a joke and some sort of bait into seeing if he could get anyone else to vote with him so he could name them scummy? Or something? He calls Rayn looney but agrees with his horribly bad analysis of my 3 posts...not sure why such a seemingly solid player is associating himself with a read like that but anyway....do YOU have a read on me or any opinion regarding Ace?


I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it.

Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him.

this is all from ego mafia where he was scum (I think you were in that game palmar?). He wants to discuss things and comes out with information about people, he makes cases, he puts in an effort to GET people lynched because after all that's his win con - lynch off not scum.

Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc:

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[QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

Friday nights man, busy stuff.

Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome.
Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying.
Now who is scum?

Deconduo.
What marv said which was,
Hit and run case on Ghost.
Mafia favored plan.


What else that solidified my read on him was
[quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE]
[/quote]
Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'.
What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?.
Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out.
[quote]
I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to...
[quote]
The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in.
His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity.

[quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard.

##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote]
Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!.
Then he disappears and comes back with
[quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth.
[/quote]
Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto.

Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

Friday nights man, busy stuff.

Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome.
Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying.
Now who is scum?

Deconduo.
What marv said which was,
Hit and run case on Ghost.
Mafia favored plan.


What else that solidified my read on him was
[quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax


Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE]
[/quote]
Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'.
What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?.
Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out.
[quote]
I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to...
[/quote]
The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in.
His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity.

[quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard.

##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote]
Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!.
Then he disappears and comes back with
[quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth.
[/quote]
Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto.

Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE]


Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum

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[QUOTE]On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
grush57: Starsenses. Town.
slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town
kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum
raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum.
strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town.
sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum
kitaman27: dead
Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town.
Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know.
Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town.
shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude.
VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce).
prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky.
ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town.
WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum.
Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass.
HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep.
Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town.
VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null.
chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum.
DarthPunk: ded

he posts lists of information on people to show where he stands etc, not a push on anyone.


Now, compare that to this game. He has lynch choices, he votes people and the reasoning is because of overlying reasons based on their gameplay this game rather than the wall of quotes from scum games that he uses to overjustify his reads to people. He asks people why they are doing things and defends people as being town based on their actions when he didn't need to be around.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:47 GMT
#3268
I have no idea how the formatting screwed up because those bbcodes are correct
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:48 GMT
#3270
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512&currentpage=158#3156


ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to)

Ego Mini Mafia - Scum
Doctor Who Mafia - Scum
Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town
Roulette Mini Mafia - Town

Those are the links for the people unable to copy paste :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:49 GMT
#3271
Oat's is doing nothing, doesn't need to get people lynched, has no agenda unlike all his scum games is the basic gist of it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:54 GMT
#3274
It was very hastily put together yes but his play in ego is COMPLETELY different between that game and here. There is no trying to convince people of anything, he's doing his own thing!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 20:57 GMT
#3275
Explain to me the mafia intent behind oats defending someone as town in a game where he NEEDS to push a mislynch to win? Grack and you were on me calling me scum around the lynch and afterwards you were discussing it and he justifies what I was angry about and makes you realise I'm town because of it at that point whereas he points out the people that don't follow the same pattern of actions. He doesn't have intent to push any lynch because as town all he needs to do is confirm people as other town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 18 2014 21:08 GMT
#3278
I never said I was to you and I am to myself so when I see someone come out of the woodwork to say I'm town that looks pretty good for that person at that specific time. Oats is an enigma to all of you for some reason but his play between those games I linked is so different it's as clear as day. Either way he has forced our hand and you either accept him as town or as scum who is bussing risen?? RISEN of all people.

You said you have to treat me as town so you only need 1 other town to complete that circle, you are thinking it's wave. That would mean both oats and risen are scum and he's afk sleep voting the guy you think is scum. Shouldn't we be auto voting risen in this case either way?
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