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suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 18:22 GMT
#746
On the flip side I don't think scum zarepath would jump on bum either. If you're mafia why would you jump on the person who has the most heat on him? Especially for all those reasons that you stated why a 'town zarepath wouldnt go on bum'. There are plenty of other decent targets for a scum Zarepath to choose.

I also think Bum's retraction from VE is super scummy and don't fault Zarepath for thinking so as well.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 18:23 GMT
#747
and if bum flips scum there's even more reason for zarepath not to jump on bum.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 19:35 GMT
#785
I actually really hate JL's reasoning on why zarepath is scummy.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 19:53 GMT
#795
On January 22 2014 03:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
I agree with Rayn on this point. Zerepath literally took the time to make a case, didn't push it at all then calls bum scum for making the same case and actually trying to get it pushed into a lynch.

wrong.

Bum's right, if your case isn't getting traction why waste people's time. If bum really think's VE's scum he can always wait and try to get him lynched later.

I hate this logic. Also if town Bum really thought that VE wasn't worth pursuing he should have a better target no? Rather than just saying 'welp no ones listening to me I guess I'll just withdraw from the game'

@balla It took me a minute to understand what the hell that post is saying. But yes it is contradicting his case completely. Backwards ass logic. He's scum for being defensive and he's scum for saying fuck it, lynch me if I'm scum.

wrong again, those are two different things.

On January 22 2014 03:43 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yeah kinda bad.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
@Barristan

1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened.

I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization.

2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote.



Zarepath: VE switched to bum with no justification -> VE is suspicious -> Zarepath provides a case against VE and votes him.
When Zarepath switched to Bum likewise he also gave his reasons. I don't see what you're saying is 'kinda bad' here.

On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all.

...

He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on.



Zarepath admitted he was tunneling and backed off. This is different than bum backing off for no reason even after VE failed to satisfyingly answer bum's questions.

Jumping on the same person VE has his vote on when he still finds VE suspicious is bad, though. I didn't catch that.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 19:59 GMT
#797
On January 22 2014 04:50 JonnyLaw wrote:
Suki your basic idea is that zarepath cannot be scum because he brings up his case ONE time after making it then drops it all together?

If there are two lynch candidates and you're one of them don't you pick option b regardless of alignment? His switch to bum was an easy choice imo.


Uh if you're town you push the person you think is the scummiest, regardless if that person is a candidate or not.

If bum is scum, which I think he is, then I don't see scum zarepath voting for bum. It doesn't make sense.

From my point of view either zarepath or bum are scum. It doesn't make sense for both of them to be scum.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 20:03 GMT
#800
Right now bum looks really bad for pushing such a shitty case on VE, then asking VE questions and when those questions are not answered satisfyingly.... drops the case because nobody's listening to him. The town explanation is he's just frustrated townie not willing to waste any more time.. but if he is, who is more suspicious to him? Why drop your case on your top scum read who hasn't answered any of your questions, when you don't have anyone else who reads scummy to you?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 20:47 GMT
#818
um, I voted bumatlarge when I unvoted zarepath
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 20:48 GMT
#819
Sorry I'm not voting WileE today either because it makes less sense for scum to fake claim than for town to stupid claim.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#820
Also 'not contributing' is a horrible reason to lynch somebody when we have so many cases on scum.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:00 GMT
#826
On January 22 2014 05:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I was giving zarepath a free place to put his vote as long as I was intent on lynching VE. His reaction to my unvote has alot of motivation behind it.

At the time, Crossfire was gaining some traction, for an iffy post. Zare could have hopped on him, which I think is worth noting if one of them flips scum. Kush seems somewhat similar, but that was older votes.

I found his vote on me a bit backwards, considering that it was just for not pushing VE some more. I think it would it would be a poor choice for him to make as mafia. But I don't think he seems like he has a lot of experience as mafia.

The second scenario where I am scum and he is town is much more unlikely, because he has been on par with my thoughts the whole game, and he changes his mind to me when I stop pursuing both of our top scum reads. That is much more illogical coming from a townie, rather then what I think would be bad reasoning for him to do that as mafia.


I actually really really like everything here. Many of these things I didn't consider previously.

One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies.

##unvote
##vote Zarepath
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:04 GMT
#827
You can policy lynch and I'm just going to scum hunt. How's that sound Jonny?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:12 GMT
#834
I didn't mean it as a personal attack, I just didn't like your reasoning.

I liked bum's retort and it also invalidated several of my reasons for switching off zarepath.

Of course now he goes and claims so I have no idea what's going on anymore. -_-;
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:21 GMT
#843
So this is actually in the rules:

12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:22 GMT
#845
and this:

11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:23 GMT
#847
No, I just want a fair game. It ruins the fun if something like this occurs.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:38 GMT
#864
I'm just going to wait for a mod post and/or the lynch to go through. This day is over as far as I'm concerned.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:45 GMT
#879
I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:46 GMT
#882
Also Zarepath would have to be a scum god to say what he said after the rules were brought up. He's pretty townie in my mind.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:47 GMT
#884
On January 22 2014 06:46 bumatlarge wrote:
I want to see a bluepost before I take my vote off.

suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 21:52 GMT
#895
Because I'd rather see the game through by lynching Zarepath like we were 99% about to do before this stupid claim posting thing, than win because town cheated. Okay?
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