I also disagree with 'don't lynch people who claim'. With this sort of policy, scum will just claim even if they have no chance in hell of people believing it. If it keeps them alive for one more day that's enough of an advantage gained.

Can someone explain what a 'Boxer' is?

suki

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January 20 2014 00:51 GMT

#111

On January 20 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:

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\so you are claiming named vt lol

I don't like kush's plan, or his reason that it will save a blue and we can catch scum later. Also I think that kush is obviously not a VT or a named VT because if he were then he wouldn't have such stupid logic about how rayn is claiming named VT.

##vote kushm4sta

suki

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January 20 2014 04:02 GMT

#149

On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.

So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.

Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes

suki

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January 20 2014 04:04 GMT

#150

Also:

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...

I don't even..

Please explain how scum doesn't benefit from knowing the setup in a game that's purely based around scarcity of information.

suki

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January 20 2014 13:33 GMT

#195

On January 20 2014 21:44 zarepath wrote:
I thought VE was talking about the two different plans, kush's "don't lynch anyone who claims blue" plan and the Boxer claim plan.

Hm.. You're right. I got confused between the two different plans.

I still don't like his 'want other opinions' comment. When Wile/slam claimed I made a mental note to see who would jump on him because it would be an easy scum bandwagon to try to push. VE insta-voted him.

My vote is staying on VE.

suki

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January 20 2014 13:51 GMT

#211

I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.

Bum, who do you find scummy and why?

suki

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January 20 2014 13:55 GMT

#215

You're dodging the issue completely VE and posting useless fluff. Try answering again.

suki

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January 20 2014 13:58 GMT

#217

No, stop that stupid line of questions, who cares about whether or not it's advantageous for scum to claim VT or boxer or whatever. It's not the action that's important it's the motivation.

On January 20 2014 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why would he do that as scum. Like do you think he straight up paniced 5 hours into the game and just fucked up as mafia and didn't think anything at all, or do you think he has no fucking clue what's going on as town, like he usually is?

This. Answer this question VE.

suki

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January 20 2014 14:07 GMT

#225

What has bum done that makes him lean town to you?

suki

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January 20 2014 17:35 GMT

#288

On January 20 2014 23:13 kushm4sta wrote:
k ill explain my weak townread of bum.
It all comes from reading rayn's case. Bum is trying to figure out VE's alignment. He is questioning the same things about VE's play that I am. So it looks like natural townie suspicion to me.

kush is leaning towards bum being town because Bum is "questioning the same things about VE's play" that he is.

So kush must be referring to when bum was agreeing with my original case (which was horrible), which pegged VE as scummy. Specifically, bum makes two posts which speak about VE:
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On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:

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The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.

On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:

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I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

So. Kush agrees (?) that VE doesn't look good because of bum's points. Bum's points are my case. Kush sees Bum as town, but also sees VE as town.

1. He thinks bum is town for bum's reasoning, which is simply an agreement of someone else's case and no further follow-up
2. He thinks VE is town even though he agrees with bum's agreement that VE looks scummy.

I find it hard to believe a town kush would feel that both bum and VE look town to him, based on the reasons he gave. I definitely see a scum kush screwing up like this.

suki

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January 20 2014 17:41 GMT

#294

Offtopic:[spoiler]

*as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever.

Yes, please refer to me as 'she' I would very much appreciate it.
[spoiler]

suki

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January 20 2014 17:49 GMT

#298

On January 21 2014 02:46 bumatlarge wrote:
To be fair, I was not expecting all three initial posts to be completely taken out of context.

For the record I don't think bumatlarge is scum at this point.

suki

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January 20 2014 17:57 GMT

#304

@Artanis Honestly your post confused me and the answer to your question seemed irrelevant, but if you could explain yourself a bit more it would probably help. Also more analysis.

PS. I read that game where you were roleplaying as scooby and that was super cute :>