A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Page 3

On January 08 2014 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


Cora, on the other hand, did (and really didn't post much of anything while he was here anyway).

I'm interested to see what happens if I switch as well. WoS will probably switch too, so yamato will have some pretty serious momentum before anyone else arrives back in the thread.

##unvote

##vote yamato

On January 08 2014 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:


seemed to me like Artanis had a natural focus on Cheesecake (sort of how i have a natural focus on Corazon) simply because they were interacting. I could sort of follow the conversation from both perspectives; i.e. if you were to pretend to be town Artanis or town Cheesecake, do you think their actions make sense? For the most part they seem to make sense.

I haven't read into Cheesecake too heavily, but as far as Artanis goes the major thing that concerns me is his lack of presence today. It probably doesn't mean anything, but if he's still not present tomorrow I'd be worried. His posting tone so far seems fine to me. Another thing is that he sort of deflected giving an opinion on Yamato (IIRC he said something about not having played with scum yamato in a long time) and a bit more minor is that I don't really agree with his opinions, but I think they can reasonably be justified from his perspective.

Sadly it's a "let's wait and see" on him, Cheese, yamato...basically everyone in the filter list that is not a townread to me for now. I would rank yamato at the top of the scum list, though.

Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny.

On January 08 2014 13:03 yamato77 wrote:
We're not lynching me.

On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I dunno if you are reading closely but i think i have explained why i think yamato is town.

On January 07 2014 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really.

He didn't say "hi" to the thread. That's like a scumclaim. j/k, i dunno about JAT.

Actually no, i think yamato is town. There is some sort of a process going on in his head on his read on me. When he is scum there is no process, he just posts some stuff and tryhard reads or does not post anything.

Dunno about bugs either, have never played with him.

I have some super secret scumreads but i am waiting for all people to post.

On January 08 2014 13:10 yamato77 wrote:

You'll see.

On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though.

On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote:
Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn.

Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2.

Rayn - you need to stop OMGUSing and overreacting when people vote for you. This debate isn't going to help anyone. This is exactly what derailed the game in BttB.

I'm begging for you to please drop this silly argument and resume it D2 or D3. We don't need this right now. Let's focus on actual scummy people like WBG, Yamato, and the inactives (in my opinion, CC, Yamato, Artanis (to an extent), Kush (to an extent, and mkfuba).

On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.

WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.

What he has done in this game is neither of those things.

On January 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's not scummy, it's "not caring". That's not necessarily scummy, especially for yamato who has been not caring as town many times at the start of the game.

On January 08 2014 13:40 Corazon wrote:
I don't know Rayn, it's hard to be cooperative with a gun down your throat.

On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote:

Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make.

On January 08 2014 13:57 Corazon wrote:

It's infuriating to have you twist my words. This is a two way street, brother.
I'm trying my hardest to be nice, but when you do this shit to me, it's hard to be cordial.

On January 08 2014 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
before I forget and go to sleep, I want to make this clear:

it's important that people look at the way players enter and reenter the thread. Yamato's reentrance is scummy as shit. iamp's is towny as hell. This is pretty easy to see, but there are instances where this is quite difficult.

Today, I didn't see any of the following four:

Cheesecake
Artanis
gumshoe
mkfuba

From towniest to scummiest, in that order. Both CC and Artanis look fine, and gumshoe is a bit iffy to me, but mkfuba in particular looks awful. I know he tends to play what I like to call "scummy town" but his posts in particular are very on-the-fency and generally quite nebulous. His only attack so far has been on Cora, and it was quite weak. After his initial small amount of activity he has since disappeared.

What's important is that we note the reentrance into the thread of all 4 of these players. If you are around when they come back I implore you to question them. I will do so myself if I'm awake at the time.

On January 08 2014 14:12 thrawn2112 wrote:


This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play.

On January 08 2014 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:


actually it's worse than that, it's akin to setting up a lynch for later.

Let's pretend he's scum for a second and he wants to push me as a lynch today. Assuming I don't die and his team doesn't find rayn a threat, he'll just leave rayn alive, right?

So then let's say I do end up dying at some point, then all he has to do is turn around on his old read of rayn and push that on a later day. Easy pickings.

I do this all the time as scum.

The problem is that this requires an assumption about Corazon's play that I am not comfortable with making right now. I'm not so sure how to read him atm.

On January 08 2014 14:24 thrawn2112 wrote:


I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you don't think he was as hostile as town Corazon would have been? But you don't know how to reconcile this judgement with how he may or may not have changed after recent drama?

If you are, then sadly that's not really a productive conversation we can have out in the open so we'll just have to decide for ourselves.

On January 08 2014 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439654&currentpage=27#537
Another question to you;
Why don't you jsut go to my filter and check it? Why am i doing your work for you?