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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 17:06 GMT
#458
cheesecake how about you ;look at my actual arguments rather than shit i already admitted was false
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 17:25 GMT
#466
hopeless' +1 on gumshoe was out of no where.
this case on yamato is completely lacking in town type logic. All his arguments are very surface level and very easy kinds of arguments for scum to make.
On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard.

I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire.



As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims
On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote:
This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed.

There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims.

Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him.

Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot?

If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith.

This is unnecessary fluff

Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1.

rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299

That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest.

By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously.

coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient.

.



Also he completely ignores my defense of yamato and focuses on "Why doesn't he claim if he's blue?" which is not even th epoint...
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 17:29 GMT
#469
On January 06 2014 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 18:25 kushm4sta wrote:
coag is actually super town for realizing this.
coag:
alakaslam has been lurker hunting the entire game and thats a red flag. scum like to focus on lurker discussion a lot. gonna fos on slam. likely scum.

this is dead on


ok i did it for you


@cheesecake look within the quotes you will find your answer
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 17:33 GMT
#472
i thought coag's post was really insightful actually. his ratio of insight to effort pwns everyone else in this game. that is of why i fear he may be busing.
I see it like this:
If alaka is town, which is possible i guess but I doubt it, coag is town.
If alaka is scum, 30% chance coag is busing.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 18:51 GMT
#487
On January 06 2014 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If Yamato is red then Hopeless super town and we pretty much win the game.

This is a great reason to plynch Yamato, ASSUMING THAT IS TRUE- can you back your statement up Cheesecake?

However, I will read Yamato for myself now.


a great reason to lynch yamato is some half baked connection theory??? ok..
Sometimes I can't even believe the scummy shit that comes out of people's mouths and no one else notices it.

Yamato said he was busy. He said his activity would pick up soon. Give him time to return and do something for jesus sakes.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 05 2014 21:46 GMT
#516
Yamato Im still not getting why you think you can't confirm the three claims town. And that post doesn't explain it to me.

Is it that you think a real PR is hiding for some reason or you didn't read the OP or what?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 00:00 GMT
#530
honestly i don't think coag would taint the sanctity of his town badge
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 00:12 GMT
#533
@hopeless please expand on your thought process in between thinking gumshoe was town and joining the wagon. It seemed to happen in between two one liners of yours. i want to know exactly what made you change your mind.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 00:22 GMT
#534
I find his and alaka's +1s on the gumshoe lynch really scummy. Also it explains why thrawn wasn't hesitant to remove himself from it.

hopeless' long case thing d2 is also not giving me town vibes. It's filled with lazy, scummy thoughts.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 00:35 GMT
#535
His case is just a collection of nitpicks and disagreements he thought up as he was filter diving yamato, which is how I think he would make his cases as scum. He picks someone who seems sufficiently scummy, goes through their filter, and quotes and comments on any shit that he can misconstrue as anti town.


On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard.

I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire.



As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims
On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote:
This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed.

There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims.

Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him.

Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot?

If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith.

This is unnecessary fluff

Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1.

rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299

That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest.

By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously.

coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient.

.

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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 14:35 GMT
#567
On January 06 2014 15:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And then there is kushmasta. What just happened was that i destroyed all his reads because he didn't actyually have any reads because they were either bullshit or based on false pretenses.

So yeah, if yamato and kush are not mafia i dunno what the fuck is going on in this game.


hi im back. how/where did you destroy my reads?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 16:16 GMT
#577
i'm not ready to swear coag is town but I think he's town.

@hopeless Why would you SWEAR he is scum?? He is inactive as shit as both alignments so I don't get how you can be super sure he is scum.

@everyone else, especially rayn, why do you think hopeless is town??
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 16:41 GMT
#579
ok that makes more sense.

am i safe in saying the lynch choices are yamato or hopeless?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 16:43 GMT
#581
you are on the hopeless side right cheesecake?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 16:47 GMT
#585
On January 07 2014 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you read thrawns filter it makes me think yamato is mafia, because he attacks hopeless subtely


You are referring to this right?
On January 04 2014 11:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless is being reckless. Regardless of gumshoe's alignment townies are more likely to be eager to jump on lynches early on in the game where there is a majority lynch. Hopeless had a randomlynch for himelsf to hide behind if he didn't want to gather attention for hopping on to gumshoe wagon. I think it's more likely as mafia he would stay more neutral and promote more discussion before switching his vote onto gumshoe with literally no reasons given.


I don't get you here. You say hopeless is setting himself up to potentially hide behind a random lynch and you think that is reckless in a townie way?


I disagree that this clears hopeless, because the real intent of thrawn's post is to attack rayn. Thrawn doesn't pay attention to hopeless himself at all.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 16:49 GMT
#586
On January 07 2014 01:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
kush why dont you want to lynch yamato


good question. I don't have a great reason actually. Sadly it's mostly an anti-connection theory that popped into my head when I saw hopeless lunge at him.
Also I think the way he opposed confirming the claims as town was dumb but I doubt scum would do it like that.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 17:20 GMT
#589
On January 07 2014 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The reason i like hopeless lynch, besides previously stated junk, is that both hopeless and coag were on the gum wagon for jack reasoning. If it's yamato + kush / slam then 0 maf were behind the d1 mislynch


slam was also on the gum lynch also for jack reasoning
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 17:23 GMT
#592
On January 07 2014 02:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 02:20 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 07 2014 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The reason i like hopeless lynch, besides previously stated junk, is that both hopeless and coag were on the gum wagon for jack reasoning. If it's yamato + kush / slam then 0 maf were behind the d1 mislynch


slam was also on the gum lynch also for jack reasoning


except slam is super town


WHY... I have not read anything that has convinced me of this in the slightest.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 17:27 GMT
#596
please qualify your opinions with reasons. both cheesecake and hopeless. more important for hopeless.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 17:30 GMT
#598
hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe?
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