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this case on yamato is completely lacking in town type logic. All his arguments are very surface level and very easy kinds of arguments for scum to make. On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard. I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire. As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote: This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed. There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims. Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him. Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot? If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith. This is unnecessary fluff Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1. rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299 That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest. By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously. coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient. . Also he completely ignores my defense of yamato and focuses on "Why doesn't he claim if he's blue?" which is not even th epoint... | ||
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@cheesecake look within the quotes you will find your answer | ||
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I see it like this: If alaka is town, which is possible i guess but I doubt it, coag is town. If alaka is scum, 30% chance coag is busing. | ||
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On January 06 2014 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: This is a great reason to plynch Yamato, ASSUMING THAT IS TRUE- can you back your statement up Cheesecake? However, I will read Yamato for myself now. a great reason to lynch yamato is some half baked connection theory??? ok.. Sometimes I can't even believe the scummy shit that comes out of people's mouths and no one else notices it. Yamato said he was busy. He said his activity would pick up soon. Give him time to return and do something for jesus sakes. | ||
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Is it that you think a real PR is hiding for some reason or you didn't read the OP or what? | ||
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hopeless' long case thing d2 is also not giving me town vibes. It's filled with lazy, scummy thoughts. | ||
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On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard. I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire. As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote: This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed. There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims. Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him. Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot? If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith. This is unnecessary fluff Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1. rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299 That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest. By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously. coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient. . | ||
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On January 06 2014 15:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: And then there is kushmasta. What just happened was that i destroyed all his reads because he didn't actyually have any reads because they were either bullshit or based on false pretenses. So yeah, if yamato and kush are not mafia i dunno what the fuck is going on in this game. hi im back. how/where did you destroy my reads? | ||
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@hopeless Why would you SWEAR he is scum?? He is inactive as shit as both alignments so I don't get how you can be super sure he is scum. @everyone else, especially rayn, why do you think hopeless is town?? | ||
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am i safe in saying the lynch choices are yamato or hopeless? | ||
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On January 07 2014 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If you read thrawns filter it makes me think yamato is mafia, because he attacks hopeless subtely You are referring to this right? On January 04 2014 11:20 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't get you here. You say hopeless is setting himself up to potentially hide behind a random lynch and you think that is reckless in a townie way? I disagree that this clears hopeless, because the real intent of thrawn's post is to attack rayn. Thrawn doesn't pay attention to hopeless himself at all. | ||
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On January 07 2014 01:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: kush why dont you want to lynch yamato good question. I don't have a great reason actually. Sadly it's mostly an anti-connection theory that popped into my head when I saw hopeless lunge at him. Also I think the way he opposed confirming the claims as town was dumb but I doubt scum would do it like that. | ||
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On January 07 2014 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The reason i like hopeless lynch, besides previously stated junk, is that both hopeless and coag were on the gum wagon for jack reasoning. If it's yamato + kush / slam then 0 maf were behind the d1 mislynch slam was also on the gum lynch also for jack reasoning | ||
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WHY... I have not read anything that has convinced me of this in the slightest. | ||
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