plutarch i think your case on LSB is very strong. I woudl vote him in 2 seconds.
He seems like a chicken with his head cut off compared to his townplay ive seen elsewhere.

kushm4sta

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December 13 2013 12:33 GMT

#1763

On December 13 2013 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Plutarch for that post.
I called LSB out for his voting behavior on D!, especially asked you about it. NOW it's relevant. You are scum.

what the fuck is this rayn????

you call out something as scummy d1.
He incorporates it into a larger case.
HOW DOES THAT EVEN BEGIN TO MAKE PLUTARCH LOOK SCUMMY??

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 12:38 GMT

#1764

nvm rayn dont answer that, because i know what you are going to say.
"plutarch was indecisive about his lsb read d1 when i showed him similar evidence"
that really doesn't make him scummy at all. This is crazy even for you rayn. I'm worried about you bro.(alignment wise)

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 12:39 GMT

#1765

Yup I sextuple posted. deal with it.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 12:54 GMT

#1772

Artanis your cases are usually good. This one was not. Wonder why hmmm

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 12:59 GMT

#1776

On December 13 2013 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Show nested quote +

How about actually commenting on the content?

no quotes
i dont see why any of those things make him scum. All i see is you pejoratively describing townplay.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 13:07 GMT

#1778

artanis i think it's called pressuring

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 13:12 GMT

#1781

ok ill look into xatalos later and see if i see what you see

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 13 2013 18:24 GMT

#1815

LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it.

I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right.
Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post.
If you look it actually contains deceptively little content.

On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.

What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.

One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.

So my thought is

VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town

Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.

Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.

I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.

Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum.

On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all.

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Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.

These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis.

How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him).

On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian!

Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future).

bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum.

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Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB.

- purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum

- LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis

VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched.

I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped.

So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis.