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GGTeMpLaR
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There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On October 14 2013 17:19 E00e wrote: Hello everyone, my first post! I think the discussion about a semi random lynch or an afk lynch was somewhat pointless because the day is still early and we might find something else to lynch on. In the rare (?) case that we dont get any information we can argue about that again. On that topic I dont think it is reasonable to immediately vote for SagaZ (who suggested afk lynch first) like istandwithmitt did. I like that GGTeMpLaR started giving thoughts about the players in this game, because ultimately we need to do that to find our lynch target. Something else we could and maybe should discuss is when the Cop should come out. Should they come out after checking X Mafia or Y Town or when they are about to be lynched, etc... We dont need to do that on the first day and I dont want to sidetrack the discussion but it is something to keep in mind for the next day or if we run out of things to talk about. I'd like to think this is a pro-town post because I agree with your point about the afk-lynch discussion when we've still got like 36 hours left to decide. I don't know what to make of you siding with istandwithmitt against SagaZ yet as it could mean a lot of different things based on what assumptions I go with. For example: -If SagaZ is mafia and istandwithmitt is town, you could be bussing your mafia under the table OR you could just be getting a good mafia read like another townie. -If SagaZ is town and istandwithmitt is mafia, you could be working with your mafia to go for a relatively easy and suspicious first lynch OR you could just be drawing an incorrect mafia read as a well-meaning townie. And I'm not sure what to make of your last paragraph regarding the cop. According to you, it's too early to discuss lynching afks because we have a lot of time left on Day 1 (which I agree with), but youre willing to go even further and discuss on what circumstances in future days the cop should come out? I'd say it's too early to discuss that as well here, or possibly not even relevant as maybe it's something you should ask your coach. | ||
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On October 14 2013 19:33 nyxnyxnyx wrote: the way i see it: 1. this mafia game is a bronze/wood level game equivalent in LoL so most if not everyone should be a baddie 2. mafia tends to have the upper hand when townies are disorganized / randomly spouting shit 3. townies don't stand a chance without some kind of organization for those reasons, i'm going with whatever Odin suggests since the alternative is to be disorganized and lose anyway. See a lot of what OdinOfPergo is saying has made him my most town read for today but I'm still a bit reserved to go with him as 100% town and just follow him blindly. I'm actually even less comfortable in doing it now that you've said you're okay with doing it. I'm not saying you are mafia with him, because the sheer quantity of information he's been putting out there makes me read him as townie, but it's just a little suspicious in my eyes what you did. | ||
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or a and so it's all broken and difficult to read who was quoted saying what without going back to previous pages. | ||
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Balla24 - No read, needs more info. Vonthin - Tentative, needs to post more for a better read. OdinOfPergo - Strong town read at this point. I think his logic regarding the afk/lurkers is pro-town and he appears to be genuinely leading town in a good direction. His questioning of points in my posts and asking me for elaboration further leads me to believe he has a pro-town agenda. It's possible he could be mafia at this point but I doubt it. The only suspicion I have on him is resulting from nyxnyxnyx's statement to just follow him. Seuss - Confirmed town. SagaZ - Tentative, needs to post more. His first post could just as much be a misguided town as it could be a mafia. onlywonderboy - Tentative, needs to post more for better read. July617 - Tentative, light mafia read. He hasn't contributed much in regards to reads and mostly just tried to direct town to being more talkative (which I'll grant is a pro town direction), but he didn't actually personally contribute his actions towards this direction (which is the suspicious part). nyxnyxnyx - Moderate mafia read. I don't think blindly following an unconfirmed town, no matter how rational they appear, is something a town should ever want to do. That being said, the fact that his only contribution is pointing us in that direction makes it even more suspicious. I could be misreading a town here but at this point he's the most suspicious person to me outside the SagaZ/istandwithmitt duo. E00e - Tentative, light town read. His one big post could go either way. I like how he defended his thoughts when attacked, but he needs to post more for me to get a better read. istandwithmitt - Suspicious, light mafia read. Not sure what to make of his early aggression against SagaZ. It would definitely help if he posted more. Bereft - No read, needs more info. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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Even if you're completely uncertain on your own reads, it still has the added benefit of giving everyone else a read on you. You've given us nothing. I might have been a little quick to name you my number one mafia though because that is a believable town mistake to make. I'm going to retract my "most susupicious" tag on nyxnyxnyx for now and say that it's between nyxnyxnyx/July617/SagaZ/istandwithmitt at this point. If I had to vote right now though, it would almost 100% be between one of those four. | ||
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##vote: istandwithmitt | ||
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What do you do? You do the same exact thing on another person. Unless you give something to me to convince me otherwise or someone else fucks up even more (which I think you've raised the bar pretty hard here so that will be difficult), I'm not changing my vote at this point. | ||
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the irony... | ||
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On October 15 2013 04:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Yeah sorry for posting about who I think is scum. That's not the issue. The issue is your reasons are lackluster and you've only made two posts in this entire thread. Early on people have pinged you as suspicious and why they think that and you didn't respond to any of them. I encourage you, nay I challenge you to actually put some thought into this game and convince me you're town, or at the very least that someone else is a better lynch at this point. | ||
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On October 15 2013 04:47 istandwithmitt wrote: I just posted who I think is scum. I'm not going to try & convince people I'm town (hint: it's because it's impossible). If you think I'm scum, you should have a reason for it & not "LOL wtf." Hope this helps! I and many others have given reasons for being suspicious of you. If you're town this game, you're just not trying. | ||
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I'm sorry if my vote post on you was disrespectful I just thought it came from nowhere. I expected the next post you would make would address at least one of the people who pinged you as suspicious. | ||
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On October 15 2013 11:27 Bereft wrote: ok i'm back. reading thru the thread, i'd like to caution people against jumping on the mitt vote. i think what we need to decide on is whether we want to (a) vote a useless townie who might be scum or (b) vote an active townie who we have a strong scum read on. the reason why i'd caution town to vote mitt is because before the game even started, i was doing some joke votes and istandwithmitt goes: if we had gotten our pm's at this point, i would have thought this was some miserable scum play. but role pm's hadn't even been sent out at that point! so in conclusion, just keep in mind his in-game posting seems much in line with his pre-game posting. i think worst case if by the end of d1 we don't see a strong scum case against anyone in particular, mitt is an easy candidate. however given that we have another 24 hours at this point, let's not get pigeon-holed on mitt as there may be stronger candidates out there. i for one would perhaps put Vonthin and GGTemplar in that list, depending on what kind of posts they make in the next 24 hours. not necessarily saying i think they're scum at the moment, but i would like to hear more from them. the reason i'm singling these 2 out atm is because GGTemplar randomly hones into a pretty mild exchange between Sagaz and mitt and starts postulating about in what scenarios Sagaz is mafia or mitt is mafia, but them both being mafia are mutually exclusive. this seems like either an attempt to appear helpful while not being helpful at all, or a misguided attempt to be helpful, as their exchange seemed pretty minor / un-noteworthy and he's not providing any real analysis but more like game theory. as for Vonthin, all he does is jump upon the RNG proposal with a massive amount of risk aversion. in this kind of situation, i'm inclined to find mafia to be more risk averse than a townie. as mafia, you'd like to avoid being in the hot seat at any cost possible, whereas as town, my general feeling is that i'm less afraid of being scrutinized because i have nothing to hide. Vonthin also seems to completely miss the fact that Odin isn't actually proposing an RNG, but implicitly proposing RNG as a means to an end -- as a tool to force people to do their best to wriggle out of the hot seat. I really liked this post, in particular your criticism of me, as about as pro town as it gets. Looking back on my analysis of SagaZ/istandwithmitt, it actually does appear like I'm grasping for something to contribute and so I fully understand your judgment of it as either being mafia or misguided town. I would obviously say it was the latter of these two possibilities, but I'm surprised that you're the first person to actually point this out (playerboy345 sort of prodded me for my reasons a little bit, but didn't fully flesh out his thoughts like you). Although I dislike your quick followup post throwing July617 into the batch of your highest scum reads with Vonthin and myself (mainly because it seemed like a pretty weak read after your explanation of why you think Vonthin and I are mafia), I am honestly reading you more town than OdinOfPergo because the information, reads, and reasoning behind your reads are much more clearly presented and concise. July617's post that led to your judgment was somewhat off as well, so I am not going to judge you too harshly regarding that, but you're the closest thing to confirmed town to me without actually being confirmed town at this point. | ||
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