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I'm debating. I'm actually not going to make a huge meta post like I thought I would, because the activity difference just doesn't tell the story.
1) His activity isn't fitting of the games that I've played with him (scum or town), but he just isn't emotionally involved in this game.
Usually, in his town games, he actively discusses main lynch targets (even if they aren't necessarily the ones he wants to lynch). But, his lack of doing that could be from lack of time.
But, with lack of time, that brings up this question
On September 07 2013 15:38 kushm4sta wrote:
does aperture ever end
Why does he ask questions like this pregame, then suddenly decide not to play and not read the thread? This question infers that he is excited to play the game, and doesn't want to wait. Then, we get this kush.
On September 13 2013 18:39 kushm4sta wrote:
close read aborted at pg 10 because im tired and i have shit to do
2) While he said he would do a close read within 8 hours, he didn't. Meanwhile he kept posting in thread instead of reading.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19732542
Look at the string of posts from him following this one in his filter. He is supposed to be reading and making reads, yet he doesn't do that (only gets to page 10), then keeps posting in thread. There's a disconnect.
He promises to read thread ---> doesn't -----> posts in thread for quite a bit of his filter
So, he's too busy to read the game, but has time to actually post when he promised he'd read and make reads? That doesn't make sense. It's scum oriented.
3) His stance on GK is odd. It directly contradicts a post he made a little before it
first post
On September 13 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote:On September 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question? Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch.
second post
On September 13 2013 16:19 kushm4sta wrote:
on pg 10 of reread. so far i really want to lynch goodkarma for his useless nitpicking posts. I could also lynch Wos.
On September 13 2013 16:45 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote gk
So, basically he says, "I'm not reading so I'm going to sheep a case by an active player. Then, he goes and votes for GK, despite no main player saying GK is scum. Doesn't make sense.
Also, in line with how kush plays as town, he usually comments on the main lynch candidates, which he does not do here. On top of that, he wants to lynch a player no one has talked much about being scummy. On top of that, that player has been replaced by a replacement who has shown he has started reading the thread (almost as much as kush at this point). That's scum motivated
Furthermore, kush can figure out games, but he usually does it in unique ways (look at Acne Mini Mafia where he focuses on the flavor to try to solve the game). He hasn't shown that this game in any way. At all.
At this point, the only justifiable reason you could not want to lynch kush is "he's too scummy to be scum". That might be a different story if he was showing involvement in the game. But, he hasn't. He should be lynched because he's scummy and he's not involved in par with his town games.
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Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more.
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kushmasta has more good posts than SnB has..
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btw. Your point 3 is not scummy at all. I did the same thing in a newbie game I replaced in. Kush read some pages and thought he found scum in GK. GK could easily be scum, nothing screams town from him.
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But. I remember something that Kush likes to do as town that he didn't do yet. Kush needs more posting.
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Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes:
On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler +
Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi
I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO.
Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal.
Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do.
I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things...
Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from...
Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different...
Anyway non rayne notes.
Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread.
Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. (2): Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. (3): My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. (4): I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning.
(1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?
(2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote:Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality This is an awful lot of words to say "I have no opinion on Cora yet" and "I still attest that you're, in fact, butthurt." A lot. Sup BH? VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. I don't remember who but someone earlier in the thread said their item was used by someone else to build a doomsday machine. It seems likely that this doomsday machine has multiple pieces that need to be collected and something like the "null talisman" could easily be part of it.. Okay that was still koshi speculating about his item. Still given the rift destabilization mechanic from before and the fate counter, it's kind of likely that someone bad wants townies' items. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him.
This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game.
Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM.
Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad.
Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him.
Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB?
(3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions.
(5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all..
Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy.
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Yup SnB is scum. wp rayn.
I think VA could be scum as well.
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Zealos: Is this guy his name Isaac or his role pm name Isaac?
That's my name IRL.
I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh.
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On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote:That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh.
Could you do something? Give us something to work with. I don't want to lynch you if you are town but saying "D1 is a crapshoot either way" is not a good argument for not doing anything, it can even get you lynched.
Even if you think we are gonna get it wrong try to prove you are town so we don't mislynch you.
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And I like the point you bring up against SnB. I think it is probably the best lead to go by so far.
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Hey Zealos, vote for SnB!
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I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point.
I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed.
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On September 13 2013 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Zealos, vote for SnB!
Done
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On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more.
Idk where you get that he is gonna post more.
he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt.
why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise?
This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
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On September 13 2013 21:56 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more. Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
I think it's to do with the "inconsistencies" from SnB towards Rayns meta.
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On September 13 2013 21:56 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more. Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
Could you comment on my last post?
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On September 13 2013 21:56 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote:
Maybe.
Kush should crank up his activity.
Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more. Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp.
Nope. Don't spew bullshit on the SnB wagon, rayn his case is pretty solid. Who else should rayn be voting for? It would look bad at this point if he wasn't voting SnB. Fact is that after last game SnB said rayn is easy to read, and then now when rayn is under suspicion by 3 people SnB comes in and makes some sneaky post about why rayn is scum.
Kush does this shit all the time. I remember in GoT we were lynching him and he said "please give me anybody to read and I will give you my opinion, but don't lynch me", when the thread said read rayn he said "fu all, you can lynch me, I am not reading rayn". Funny quote but Kush does this shit all the time as town.
The only thing speaking in Kush his disadvantage is that he is currently playing more scared to be lynched. I feel like he is playing more "reserved" than in his previous games in which he was not giving a fuck.
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Nha, I feel SnB is going to flip red. I feel it.
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Okay Koshi is town, things he say about kush are 100% correct. Things he say about SnB are 100% correct.
Koshi, kush is not giving a fuck here. This is exactly same thing that he did in GoT you pointed out. He is doing it here again.
"I'll do this and that, you can lynch me if i don't" -> "No fuck, in fact i won't do it."
That's town!kush D1.
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