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On August 12 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 02:16 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 02:08 iamperfection wrote:
Like what's the point to this rayne I don't get it? The point is i would expect some cooperation in houses. Your house doesn't seem to cooperate and i would like to know why? So the fact that I didn't give them a book of how to play mafia for dummies means we don't cooperate? I asked them their thoughts on what to do and quite frankly I was going to do what I thought was best. Okay now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think Grackaroni outed the check result if you specifically asked his thoughts on what to do? Please rayn, I beg you, stop. Here, let me help you and quote the relevant posts. On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway On August 11 2013 14:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:29 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference you're right that was stupid. Thanks for wasting 10 posts on this subject though. DRAW A CONCLUSION OR STFU Here is your conclusion. iamperfection and Grackaroni are doing incredibly stupid stuff if they are town. They are not working together in their house. When they are being called out from their stupid stuff they say "my bad, it was dumb". WHY THE FUCK DO TOWNIES DO STUPID STUFF WITHOUT THINKING FOR 5 MINUTES? Right, for no reason..
Jesus christ. What possible Blackfyre motivated reason is there to blab that shit in public? If Grackaroni is a Blackfyre he already has the information, so it is by definition not indicative of whether he is a pretender or not.
This really says NOTHING about whether or not Grackaroni is a Blackfyre.
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EBWOP: jesus christ = By the seven! 
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On August 12 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote:
He will not lose any HP that night, no matter how many different kp.
So you are more like a protector than a doctor. Is it possible that Xatalos not being able to act last night has anything to do with you?
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On August 12 2013 02:41 Onegu wrote:
You should really switch to a nice dornish red. That swill you drink rots your brain.
Honestly, I don't understand how you sandskunks drink that sour stuff. Nothing compares to a good gold from the Arbor. But I will take it you meant to say "no, I did not prevent Xatalos from going about his business last night".
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So if you are more a protector than a healer, why did you refer to yourself as a medic?
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On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid".
wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"?
Because nothing in this action points to it being motivated by rebellious thoughts, and everything ot it being motivated by a complete lack of thought whatsoever. Sometimes dumb actions are really just dumb, and while you have gone out of your way to make up a motivation that fits a Blackfyre, you really had to go out of you way for it. The most suspicious thing with regards to the use of swords is the timing of Gumshoe's death. But that was BEFORE the use of magic was pronounced publicly.
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On August 12 2013 02:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid".
wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"? Because dumb does not equal scummy. If I point out something that is scummy scum can't say "yeah that was scummy my bad". If someone does something dumb and it gets pointed out they can say "yeah that was dumb my bad" You're also wrong, because strange things already happened with the kp. Gumshoe was at 1 hp from house kp and died in the nightpost. I stand by the fact that this means one of the lannisters is scum. The question is, do you think he's scum? If your answer is no then my follow-up question is what the fuck are you doing?
My thoughts regarding this were in a missive to Lord Oberyn. I will simply repeat it here:
Our house (House Tyrell) chose not to use our magics last night, although I was sorely tempted to when gumshoe continued to escape death. What do you make of him eventually dying at dawn? It seems strange for a Blackfyre to put the poor sod out of his misery. A rather uncharacteristic boon to the realm. But lacking further information, how did a loyalist knight know that our own swords would fail to kill him and thus deliver the killing blow?
I can imagine a Blackfyre upstart jumping at the opportunity to strike the first blow and kill any loyalist, however useless, but I am having a hard time finding Blackfyre motives in House Lannister. The primary suspect, gumshoe, turned up dead (and true to the realm, the gods protect his soul) and my secondary suspicions were on Ser Xatalos, who seems unlikely now, given how the night has played out.
Could some other lord have used the magic without notifying his house, in order to send this information to the blackfyres? If so, I trust we will be told of this, at a date in the future when a loyal lord of that house tries to use the magic and finds the scroll has disappeared.
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On August 12 2013 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i think acro is mafia
So why did you vote for me?
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On August 12 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
I also think acro is mafia.
I think the sky is green. Too bad neither of us have any evidence.
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On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this no idea what this even means lol 2-actually I cant even understand what he's saying because he is talking in flavor. like i can't understand what any of his posts mean at all... 3-i guess i dont have reasons lol
I'd tell you to read the minutes of this meeting, but it'd be a waste of my time.
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On August 12 2013 03:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this Are you Oberyn's Mr. X? If so, do you need me to pass on a message? no idea what this even means lol This is pretty bad actually Acro. Can you confirm you asked him this and please explain why. I'd also like to know if you asked anyone else.
Explain to me how this is bad and I will tell you.
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On August 12 2013 03:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 03:28 Acrofales wrote:On August 12 2013 03:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this Are you Oberyn's Mr. X? If so, do you need me to pass on a message? no idea what this even means lol This is pretty bad actually Acro. Can you confirm you asked him this and please explain why. I'd also like to know if you asked anyone else. Explain to me how this is bad and I will tell you. If you are town, why ask anyone specifically to tell YOU if they're a blue role? Do you think that if kush, as a blue role, would be incapable of telling us he visited xata?
Because I can pass it on PRIVATELY to Oberyn without BROADCASTING a blue role to the ENTIRE BLACKFYRE REBELLION.
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On August 12 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato, why the fuck are you not taking this game seriously?
Because he has sworn allegiance to Daemon Blackfyre and his merry band of thugs, thieves and murderers. Fucking duh.
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On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless.
No way does this happen. Lets assume for the sake of argument that Oberyn and Onegu are both loyalists. As a Blackfyre it is way too high risk to keep silent and hope it's a ploy. It would not make sense to assume a loyalist is fakeclaiming watcher. Claiming a protective jailer, however would mitigate the expected damage that the act could do. Especially since two people claimed to be locked up at home last night. It seems far more likely that:
- Whoever roleblocked Xatalos was away from the hall for the entire duration of the ploy. Looking through today's notules, I see no signs of life from either Strongandbig or Vivax before their cover is blown. These seem to be the most likely targets.
- Whoever roleblocked Xatalos is a fierce loyalist who is above suspicion and felt no need to blow their cover.
In the latter case in particular, it is extremely likely that Oberyn or Onegu is a Blackfyre pretender: they KNEW they hadn't blocked Xatalos' actions, and concocted this plan to flush out a loyalist jailer. Given that it was Oberyn's plan and Onegu just played along, it seems more likely to be Oberyn.
As a loyalist, I don't see much benefit in the whole thing: why risk flushing out an important protector of the realm? I don't trust Oberyn's intentions one bit.
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On August 12 2013 22:01 Onegu wrote:
Still thinking and going through possibilities. Town JK claims is very townie person isnt lynched, dies at night, next day oberyn is lynched. He would trade himself for one blue. Doesnt make much sense.
Why would Oberyn automatically get lynched? If the loyalist claim is made public, then too many people know to pin this back on Oberyn with any certainty.
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On August 12 2013 22:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 22:09 Onegu wrote:
and he is getting looked at alot more than he would have if he never claimed. Best case for a scum Oberyn is he trades himself for one blue. Doesnt seem legit No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia. What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is. Outing a blue with a fakeclaim. Only to have that person die would look really bad on him, and I am sure people would want his lynch, its to much risk for little reward as scum.
Well, you're here saying he's loyal for the exact reasons that people would say he's loyal if all this happened. Nevertheless, it all seems entirely based on wifom. There is also still the third possibility that you are a Blackfyre and that's why a Blackfyre roleblocker never claimed: Oberyn's plan was hatched by a loyalist, but immediately compromised.
Until we actually get some flips or further info, it all seems like pointless wifom, though.
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On August 12 2013 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post?
I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities.
I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer.
What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed.
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On August 10 2013 10:44 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 10:39 johnnywup wrote:On August 10 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnnywup can you start making them?
Who do you think is mafia? im not pretending i have lol but that doesn't make me scum and i can start making them but im not really motivated to atm. if i were to pick one from every house it would be sharrant ft oats gumshoe koshi onegu i haven't been paying as much attention this game tbh and im losing interest as people continue thinking im scum. it's too much effort to prove my inoccence. if you guys think it's a good idea to kill me just night kill me and don't waste any discussion on me and try to find actual scum. im really close to not giving a shit anymore Why did you sign up if you're not really gonna play?
Said the pot to the kettle
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On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time.
You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening.
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On August 12 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed.
Well, when people make weird claims I am pretty good at calling them out on it, but this one-two went right by me. I briefly considered the possibility with both being a Martell, but was quick to conclude it was just a coincidence. Watching Xatalos is not very farfetched, and the clame timing makes sense as well: he watched someone get locked up at home. Not as damning as watching a kill happen, but has a good chance of flushing out Blackfyres.
So the claim made sense.
A Blackfyre reaching this conclusion and deciding to gamble his life on Oberyn not knowing his name seems really unlikely. I don't see how you can think otherwise.
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