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On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen
The tone of this post says you expected the scum team to know who you were. Look here too:
On July 04 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 06:28 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
hey gumshoe. So WoS claimed vigilante who tried to shoot me, right?
That means he's going to be exposed as a liar sooner rather than later, given he's not actually going to be able to shoot anyone.
This means two things
a) he's going to be exposed as a liar
b) by claiming vigilante he's making himself a night-target.
No? This is the mind fuck right here. Assuming he cant know if hes was blocked by maifa. This is all encompassing play. Hes trying to give the impression he was blocked by actual survivor XD in order to try and convince mafia he has a guardian angel. If mafia did block him. They still have to maybe come to terms with the idea that hes not survivor and that real survivor is out there, with the potential to protect him because hes supposedly blue. If they didn't then they have to assume hes either lying or Landa protected him. If they assume hes lying what do they care, hes casting doubt on the blues and throwing town into disarray. It's really quite brilliant. The problem as I mentioned is town itself not willing to accept his crazy story. I feel WOS thought he could swing it and didn't count on being chosen as scum over Lazer. He also probably counted on scums support persecuting Lazer and defending him... Which I feel he got. Oh and if they feel hes telling the truth then they have to role block him and target Landa. He may also have powers we are unaware of. Point is they're is something going on here, even if we dont know what we have to accept that it exists. Comparatively they're is nothing happening over on Fubas side. Also I dont think he believed that scum would take survivor. Pretty much right aside from some (important) minor details. The survivor claim blindsided me as you can see, my posting during the claims indicated I assumed fuba would simply be fucked because he'd be forced to grab the last miller spot. Instead mafia decided to pit me against him since he was under suspicion anyway on a gamble that I'd be more suspicious and they'd keep the extra KP. They gambled poorly in my opinion. Essentially they lose fuba one day early and lose the extra KP making it easier for you guys now; had you lynched me THEN lynched fuba you'd be lost at LYLO because you have no idea where to go next. I'd like to think them losing a KP means I'm safe, but yeah....JK is a good role toi have.
Now you are saying this:
On July 05 2013 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Essentially I hoped to get through the day with scum thinking there was survivor 'out there' since they'd know they didn't RB me, and for town not to even bother thinking there was a survivor since scum could have RBed. I didn't think it would unravel this quickly, but I assumed it would.
Can you explain?
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it's in my filter. actions surrounding the day 1 lynch look pretty scummy. he was there and doing stuff, but not townie stuff.
it really sums up to what I said earlier. my read on WoS has steadily been 'he exists' and my read on fuba is scum. this makes sense with how I think this CC business went down. the discussions afterwards pass the feel check. WoS is all yolo and fuba is not.
I also think Marv has a point with the dick-move stuff.
I think this is the right lynch.
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On July 05 2013 04:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 04:25 s0Lstice wrote:
it's in my filter. actions surrounding the day 1 lynch look pretty scummy. he was there and doing stuff, but not townie stuff.
it really sums up to what I said earlier. my read on WoS has steadily been 'he exists' and my read on fuba is scum. this makes sense with how I think this CC business went down. the discussions afterwards pass the feel check. WoS is all yolo and fuba is not.
I also think Marv has a point with the dick-move stuff.
I think this is the right lynch. I agree that fuba looked worse up untill this point. But What about the stuff I am saying? Do you not think its really fucking wierdo that he would claim vigi because he wanted to out fuba as scum? The discussion is really irrelevant I'd say. WoS is just repeating the same BS arguments over.
Sorry, had to drive home. I think most of the problems you are having right now come from the fact that you assume that WoS meticulously thought through every possibility with his claim. You are taking this as a given...that WoS would play through the scenario mistake free.
Or you are scum 
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I want the phrase 'dick-move analysis' to live on after this game.
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Hey guys I'm traveling for the 4th. Ill have some time tonight.
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Alright, some time finally.
As before I've been doing my best to keep track on my phone, but things won't quiet down for me completely until tomorrow.
Several comments have been made about a few of my actions this game, so I'd like to talk about those.
Defending vayne on day 1 came from that weird analysis post that he made. This is the one I mean:
On June 30 2013 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
Something rubs me the wrong way about lazermonkeys posting
Starts off the thread not even wanting to scum hunt.
Throws down a troll vote early, see jaybrundage in roulette for how something innocent just pads your filter with bs.
Eager to jump on the stutters be before he has even defended himself
His 6th post is just insanely scummy read it and tell me otherwise
Rest of his filter is useless speculation
He gets my vote until I can talk with him more and get a better read
Can't vote right now as its much too precise to bold shit on an iPad but will contribute more when I'm home tomorrow night
Having just played with scum Vayne, I don't remember him posting anything like this. There is actual D1 analysis here, and like I said, I was inclined to give him townie points for it. It not a concrete thing by any means, but it was enough to make me not want to lynch him day 1. My defense of him was a combination of this notion, plus being a little upset that we seemed to be as a town heading for a Marv sheep on a target I didn't really love despite him being absent for most of day 1. The whole thing put a bad taste in my mouth about the lynch.
In that time leading up to lynch, I was trying to stay checked in despite other forces calling me away from the game. I did what I could do to push my favored lynch (stutters). I asked Marv to flick through his filter, and advocated for a switch to him as it seemed there was enough time/people in thread. When it wasn't going anywhere, I took a quick glance on the competing wagons, and liked Fuba's the most. I explained my reasoning later (it's in my filter addressed to Marv), but not at the time of the vote because again...divided attention.
I don't really get why me being the 5th vote on Fuba on day 2 matters. I was in thread discussing it when there were no votes practically, went away and quite a bit of discussion happened, and then I voted when I was back in thread after reading all the new stuff and after having thought about it while I was away. I asked a few questions here and there to solidify things, and we made the right lynch.
The case I wrote on JJD didn't hold because it was based on his tunneling scum meta. I wrote it, posted it, and then something like 10 minutes later, he posted his case on gumshoe. It was clear to me he had been writing it while I was writing mine, so it not as if he was reacting to it after I posted it. The timing was pretty funny, and it broke the meta case instantaneously. If he's not tunneling, then he's not tunneling. I retracted it because it was the right thing to do.
I think a lot of the reasons people find me scummy can be attributed to my inactivity. Lots of shit happens in between the times I can be in thread, to the point that I have to break everything down and rebuild every read. I can't say I blame you guys. I think it's clear another break from TL is in order until I can get some solid freetime, as right now it can't be helped.
I'm still reading, but I'm here if I've forgotten something I need to respond to.
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What's good about this is I'm in the unique position of not having to consider my own alignment when looking for the last two scum.
I feel pretty darn good about Marv being town. Vivax and gumshoe look really town too. The only way Vivax is scum is if the missing NK was intentional, and I think that's horribly unlikely. Gumshoe did all the heavy lifting in the WoS vs. fuba lynch. If either of them are scum, then gg you earned the win.
This leaves Stutters, JJD, and WoS.
This is where I'm looking.
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JJD, you need to look again. Marv was asking people to sheep him on Vayne. that post you quoted from me was in response to the Vayne wagon Marv was pushing.
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in fact Marv didn't vote for fuba at all on day 1...
like..what are you doing?
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On July 07 2013 13:29 JarJarDrinks wrote:seems wierd to exonerate gumshoe for his part in WoS vs Fuba and then still have WoS in your list.
It's not weird. gumshoe's efforts on day 2 show nearly unmistakable desire to solve the game and further discussion. I'm not ruling out the possibility of WoS being scum and therefore gumshoe being wong (sort of?). But you don't need the wrong or the right portion to see the townie intentions in gumshoe's d2 posting.
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I just got done explaining my day 1 treatment of fuba JJ. What about my explanation does not satisfy you?
Things look dire for you right now and your efforts to slough the attention on to me are full of misrepresentation. It looks malicious to be quite frank.
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So here's where I'm at. I didn't have time to get to WoS tonight, but I re-read JJD and Stutters.
There's a few things about JJD that make me nervous about this lynch.
First, day 1 there is a Rayn lynch wagon. A JJD wagon forms counter to it, and here is what JJD says:
On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today.
Vivax and Oats are calling for Rayn's head, and at this point there is a possibility that Rayn is lynched. I think it would be odd for JJ to not go in here. More, he called Rayn scum earlier, so the groundwork was already laid for him to get on the Rayn wagon. Instead, he recognizes some pretty townie posting by Rayn, and backs off, despite it possibly meaning his own head.
There have been flashes of real clairvoyant and solid analysis like this:
On July 02 2013 03:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:02 gumshoe wrote:
On the one hand I think well be doing scums job for them by revealing our blues. On the other, sure, it could work, but the decision needs to be semi unanimous(like 5-8 people) or it wont be of much use to town, and it'll be a huge boon to scum(who can weed out blues). I vote yes, if five or so more people agree then I'll reveal at around the same time as them, shall we say six hours before the vote(not sure how to juggle pst and what not)?. OK so here he's trying to sow seeds of doubt in the mass roleclaim plan even though it's been pretty much agreed on that it's an incredibly powerfull play. Like why mention those things and then vote yes? Show nested quote +And yes, name revealing feels broken and cheap and would actually lessen my enjoyment of this game. So then why vote yes? Vayne voted against it for this same reason. The only reason to vote yes is because he's scared to post anything that would apear to be anti-town. He's knows the mass roleclaim is detrimental to scum. He'd trying to use 2 seperate excuses as to why we shouldn't do it and hoping that one of em sticks. The problem is those excuses directly clash with each other. Either it's a huge boon to scum or it's broken and cheap. How can it be both?
The scummiest looking thing about him imo is his actions around the day 1 lynch, and it's so on the nose scummy looking that I'm left getting townie vibes off it, as weird as that sounds. What kind of scum drops an explanationless (and I mean totally explanationless) vote on a counter wagon to a now confirmed scum? It's so suicidally stupid and careless; I think it's unlikely that a scum JJ does this.
Also he is currently not playing to his scum meta. You can refer back to that case I wrote on him, the games are in there. I wouldn't call him tunnely this game.
What do you guys think of this stuff?
I propose we lynch Stutters today. I want to return to this chain of posts:
On July 01 2013 02:46 Stutters695 wrote:
This is why I thought he was town.
The miller stuff is eh (a lot more damming now with Vivax's post however). Like it isn't an unreasonable assumption and his reaction to my "scummiest post in the thread" was almost exactly how I'd react. I'd expect scum to be much more concerned with justifying their stance immediately rather than just laugh it off and not elaborate until pressure is on them. I reacted almost identically to an accusation from vivax in roulette that I felt was ridiculous.
In addition to that, he's one of the most active players.
I can pull specifics if you want but that's the rundown.
On July 01 2013 03:47 Stutters695 wrote:
You're misunderstanding. I'm leaning scum on him now, that was explaining why I thought he was town when I woke up this morning and did a quick skim.
Although I do think accepting a miller claim isn't unreasonable. It essentially is just having someone say "hey, don't check me because you'll waste your power (pre-parity announcement) and cause a mislynch."
It doesn't in any way confirm Marv, but ensures he is judged on the basis of his actual play. That he's so sure Marv is town is worrisome but I can see where he is coming from to a certain extent. I also don't like how many people are slipping by saying absolutely nothing. Even if we lynch him we should hear his reads and force these hardcore lurkers to post something.
On July 01 2013 03:50 Stutters695 wrote:
I guess part of it is how easy this has been that's concerning me. Scum could be sitting idly by arguing between us but when everyone active is on Rayn we'll get nothing going forward, we should at least look into a couple other people.
This waffle is larger than anything that Belgium has ever produced. A scum read on Rayn that appears to come largely from Vivax' analysis. Except, the case by Vivax dealt almost exclusively with the unreasonableness of Rayn's reaction to Marv's miller claim. He then goes on to support the reasonableness of Rayn's reaction (which obliterates the basis for his scum read) as well as express nervousness about how easy the pressure on Rayn has mounted. So we are left with....a scum read with ZERO basis. This looks extremely contrived.
I have to be perfectly honest...Stutters entered my blind zone when his pursuit of fuba started because the effort looked genuine and was far and above what I would typically expect from him. I'm thinking that was a mistake. I shouldn't have let these posts go. With the benefit of a scum flip, Stutters exchanges with fuba take on a different light. It's easy to look engaged and confident when you KNOW you are attacking scum.
Also, here's Stutter's day 2:
On July 04 2013 01:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I want to believe WoS because I still think Fuba is scum. I just don't understand fake claiming there. Why would scum be out to get him on d2 when all he has to do is talk his way out of a lynch today/defend fuba and mislynch into a n2 win by not blocking? What incentive does scum have to kill him here?
On July 04 2013 02:01 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm aware. I'm pretty damn confident in my scumread on Fuba. I guess 3p would explain his weird behavior, but he's been so fucking scummy. Usually I'd associate someone with 3p if they're more on the townish-null side. They both can't be scum because this would be the most retarded bus in the history of mafia.
I want to believe WoS, but here's a reason why we shouldn't believe WoS. Fuba is totes the scum, but 3p I guess could explain it? This is the sum total of him 'figuring out' this situation. The thought process doesn't seem to equal the conclusion....maybe because he already knows the answer.
I'm out of time for tonight. I have to drive home in the morning tomorrow, but I'll get back in time for the deadline (early as I can).
When I come back I want to see thoughts on this. We need to get this lynch right.
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On July 07 2013 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote:
Things look dire for you right now and your efforts to slough the attention on to me are full of misrepresentation. It looks malicious to be quite frank. I don't really have any expectation that I'm gonna be able to save myself. I'll be happy if I do, but I'm just trying to give my opinions. And I think you don't expect that I'll be able to save myself either. Which is why you need 3 suspects because you're gonna still need 2 goats once I flip.
Earlier comment from me aside, if you are town don't check out. I expect you to try until the end to show it. You already sound defeated here.
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I didn't see anything while I was looking last night that asserted it couldnt be scum on scum action.
Wos seems most likely for scum 2, but I won't have time to look mote closely until tonight. I feel good about stutters.
I'm gonna vote during this little break from driving as it looks like I forgot to last night
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I do give a fuck.
I hate the 'this person is scum b/c process of elimination' phase of the game
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really takes the wind out of your sails
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On July 09 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
I do give a fuck.
I hate the 'this person is scum b/c process of elimination' phase of the game 4 pages of filter. Your effort is amazing. Oh yeah right you're busy, so am I every time I play scum.
You have no idea what you are talking about, and haven't for quite a long time this game.
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WoS where you at. I got questions
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Go vote vivax please. hate to blackmail, but my partner is gonna kill you if you don't. let's win now kk?
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WoS, go vote vivax right now if you'd like to win this game. Other wise we both lose because you will be shot
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