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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 09 2013 23:20 GMT
#1110
I'm also quite suspicious that Ace is a closet Heat fan.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 03:03 GMT
#1135
I don't think the mafia would bus their strongest role in a setup that town can so clearly benefit once we reach one kp. By busing rayn, they give up the ability to hunt the cop, rber, and medic and put themselves in a position where they are only one scum lynch away from the terrible position. Ace clearly wants to save rayn at the end of day once so they would have to be incredibly unorganized or fuba would be acting on his own. I'd rather look in another direction, such as Vivax.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 14:05 GMT
#1140
In past games, Vivax seemed to be a player who liked to focus at the top, looking at veteran players who are likely leading the mafia team and poking them for information. Throughout the game, Vivax only references Ace once:

On June 05 2013 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax,
thoughts on Ace?


He has to make clear if and why he intends to stay on the WoS wagon after his initial vote which seems like a pressure vote. Other than that, he discussed strategies related to the setup. Not enough to go to make a read on him.


This interaction with Ace was prompted by a question from Oats. Vivax isn't going into the thread to say that he has a problem with Ace's Wave vote, he is only stating it as a response. Vivax never comments on the flip flop by Ace at the end of day one.

On June 06 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 01:57 layabout wrote:
On June 06 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn

If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout?

Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think?


I agree, and after that last post it's likely to be Rayn.

##Vote Raynpeelikoneet

All aboard the wagon of justice


Vivax never contributed fresh ideas to the Rayn lynch. Again, he only confirms a statement from layabout after he is prompted for a read.

Vivax seems much more interested in defending players than scum hunting. If I look through his filter, I struggle to find a player he wants to lynch after Ace.

On June 09 2013 22:22 Vivax wrote:
Got my chemistry oral tomorrow, otherwise I don't really give a fuck about this game, until this cop business is done I don't even need to analyze jack.


Posts like these don't really reflect a town mentality and we certainly should continue discussion before the cop business is resolved. There is also the roleblocker claim on Vivax, but it is just as reasonable to think that Wave be hit (though it doesn't match up with the 3 other mafia hits)
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#1146
On June 11 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 11 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Ace

I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay.

There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP.

Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself.
At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely?
It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are.
It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened.

Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP.


Idk man, after that play by ace I think nothing's gonna surprise me anymore.
Vayne was my scumread, but he has probably saved you so he's pseudo-confirmed.
That leaves prplhz as my choice for the D4 lynch for his actions during the Rayn lynch, it should actually be pretty obvious:

He found him suspicious, said he liked your case, and when Rayn came back to the thread he started defending him with the same arguments ace used, and cause he believed that Rayn was busy.

The problem with the latter point is that prplhz found Rayn scummy for his defense of Vayne earlier, and that was unrelated to Rayn's activity, but Rayn's activity is what prplhz used to back off from his scumread, and that's why he is probably scum.


You mentioned you had a town read on Sent. Assuming you also have town reads on Vayne and WoS, who are you looking at as the 4th scum?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:23 GMT
#1147
Additionally, if the case against prplhz is "pretty obvious", why did it take him roleblocking you to bring it up?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:30 GMT
#1150
Under the assumption that I'm town, who would your 4th scum member be then?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:34 GMT
#1151
Something to consider is the possibility of Ace shooting himself to remove the veteran from the role pool, but that's something we can confirm based on whether or not the role is still around tonight.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:51 GMT
#1154
I already did. Have you not been reading the filter of your scum read?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 17:54 GMT
#1155
Although to be fair, I haven't looked into stutters much beyond a generic town read. I'll look through his filter more closely when I have a chance.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 18:20 GMT
#1158
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 19:18 GMT
#1160
On June 11 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself?


Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are.


Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 19:42 GMT
#1161
Where you lurkers hiding?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 19:55 GMT
#1165
On June 11 2013 04:48 prplhz wrote:
I'm also around.


Remaining scum team?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 20:01 GMT
#1167
Anyone disagree with this?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 02:35 GMT
#1186
On June 11 2013 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I died in smurf mini, the amount of effort I dedicate to this game is now 33%, up from 25%.


Scum team? Do you still have a mafia read on Vayne?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 15:41 GMT
#1190
After reading through the filter of Stutters, my read on him is still town-null, maybe even null. He doesn't earn much for the day one rayn lynch considering he doesn't give a very detailed reason. He had a small back and forth with Ace, but overall there really isn't much from him that eliminates as a low profile mafia candidate. I'm really hoping he picks up his activity soon so we can get a better idea of his alignment before he becomes a lynch candidate. I'd rather look at Sent/Vivax/prpl tomorrow however.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 18:37 GMT
#1195
On June 12 2013 03:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 11 2013 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I died in smurf mini, the amount of effort I dedicate to this game is now 33%, up from 25%.


Scum team? Do you still have a mafia read on Vayne?


Ace Vayne ____ don't know my third pick yet


prpl claims roleblock on Vivax.
Vayne claims medic on Wave.

Are you saying that mafia shot into the player they were protecting or that they double stacked last night? How wouldn't Vivax be scum if you have a mafia read on Vayne?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 18:52 GMT
#1200
On June 12 2013 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 03:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 12 2013 03:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 11 2013 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 11 2013 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I died in smurf mini, the amount of effort I dedicate to this game is now 33%, up from 25%.


Scum team? Do you still have a mafia read on Vayne?


Ace Vayne ____ don't know my third pick yet


prpl claims roleblock on Vivax.
Vayne claims medic on Wave.

Are you saying that mafia shot into the player they were protecting or that they double stacked last night? How wouldn't Vivax be scum if you have a mafia read on Vayne?


Yeah I guess that would make sense. Maybe target #2 was a vet? Although none have come forward so maybe Vivax is scum after all... vet hasn't claimed yet has he?


You're going to get lynched if you aren't up to date to the thread....although you probably are getting lynched either way.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 18:55 GMT
#1201
I'm really having a hard time believing that a town player would come up with a mafia team without analyzing the night actions, especially in this setup.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 11 2013 19:02 GMT
#1202
layabout, your setup discussion is in regards to the order that roles should claim the next day, not at night, correct?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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