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On June 06 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
This I don't.
Why do I have to be scum in order to criticize your play?
What are the several scummy things you've seen from me?
Why aren't you pushing your own scumread, Oats?
You don't. But I'd think you'd @ least somewhat suspect us if we're trying to save your scumread from being lynched by voting for someone you know is town (yourself).
I've mentioned stuff and so have other people. I mean, you've had several votes on you. Why do you think that is? I don't want to post a case against you because I don't think you're the best lynch today. But you're a better lynch than rayn.
I voted Oats, posted my case against him, and responded to his rebuttal. What else should I do? Spam the thread?
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On June 06 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
If I'm not the best lynch today then you have no excuses. Push your goddamn target. When was the last time you said anything about Oats? People probably forgot all about him. Honestly, you're digging yourself a hole here. The fact that you continue to stand by your shit reasoning looks worse to me than Vayne having none.
I want one of two things right now:
You're either voting for me and providing ample reasoning for it, or you admit you were wrong about me and you continue to push Oats. Your play does not support anything else right now. You're being ridiculous. I posted my Oats case. There's not much else I can add and I'm not gonna spam the same shit over and over. And like I said, I'll vote for you if comes down to a race between you and someone I think is less scummy.
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What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red?
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On June 06 2013 05:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red? Not really. It isn't like the case made on rayne is super weak. If you've got a better target then I'm willing to hear it. Otherwise I'm guessing you want a no lynch? It's plurality votes win so we'd have to explicitly vote for it. My case against Oats:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 21:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:##Vote Oatsmaster His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets lynch Ace guys.
His contributions have been setup speculation, and a random vote on WoS, and defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good.
He never explained his vote and he doesnt seem intent to.
WAGON OF JUSTICE! I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:04 Ace wrote:On June 05 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course  I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again. lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out? I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something slightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking. His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other people On June 05 2013 22:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whoop
OMGUS from a newbie.
Wonderful. Huh? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act. And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
...defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay does his n1 mislynch NA in like every game.
Its not alignment indicative.
Its likely that the most active player day 1 isnt scum so lets not lynch WoS.
So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum?
Also I think the fact that the votes went to rayn so quickly when it looked like WoS was in danger of being lynched is telling. I wouldn't mind a WoS lynch here.
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Have to run for a bit but I'll be back before the deadline just in case there's actually a good wagon to jump on. Gonna repeat that I think this is a bad lynch.
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I'm here. But my vote is already on Oats. I'd also be plenty fine w/ a WoS vote @ this point. Especially in light of his latest post. Oh he'd 100% switch his vote if rayn shows up and performs? W/ < 2 hours left he knows it's extremely unlikely to get everyone to switch to another target so what's the point of saying that?
Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to?
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Well, don't know what to say. I'm totally shocked. GJ guys.
So I'd like to point out something that I noticed @ the time but mostly ignored it because I thought it was unlikely that rayn was actuallly gonna flip red:On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:08 Ace wrote:On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet dont see how it can but why would you think that? I vote for him -> looks like a last minute busI don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him
Why would he call it a last minute bus @ that point? Doesn't that mean he knows that rayn is about to flip red? I think this is a slip.
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On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
No.
Sent.
The point is, in both of your scenarios, rayn flips red.
There is no scenario where rayn flips green in your head.
Thats where you scumslipped.
I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not. This confuses me. Your previous post seems to imply that you weren't sure if rayn was scum or not:On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"? Explain what this last statement was supposed to mean.
Regardless, I'm gonna call your statement that you were "certain by that point that he was red" total BS. Here's your post where you vote him:On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet So you were going with your gut and that was enough for you to be certain he was scum? Cmon.
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On June 06 2013 10:14 Zephirdd wrote:prplhz: This guy is pretty good and I don't see any of that so far. He hasn't done much so far and I don't like any of it. => raynpelikoneet is being little scummier. => I'd lynch Oatsmaster over raynpelikoneet. => "The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read." + "I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him." And then proceeds to maintain "lynch oats" and "rayn is town". Show nested quote +yea well no one with a brain would seriously think you're the scummiest inhere anyway
Yeah I just reread his filter and it's pretty suspect how he 180s on Rayn. He goes from calling his scummy @ least 3 seperate times and saying how he really likes WoS's case against him to totally defending him hard once rayn starts getting alot of votes. He was perfectly happy accusing rayn when it looked like he was safe from the lynch. He then sheeped my Oats read because if u look @ thread sentiment @ the time, Oats looked like the only possible person that we could manage a switch to @ that time. Then he responds to rayns goodbye post immediately before the flip:On June 06 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really am busy for the record. :/ On June 06 2013 08:02 prplhz wrote:
yea well no one with a brain would seriously think you're the scummiest inhere anyway
First of all, that's a pretty big change from what he had said earlier. But what really stands out to me about this: When Rayn made that post, I immediately thought "oshit, maybe he really is scum". Like why would a townie make that post? Seemed to me that he was saying "Yeah I may be scum, but my excuse was legit". Prplz post reeks of a "Hey look I'm just a bad townie. Why would I call someone green right before they flip red if I was really scum?".
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Productive night phase. Anyone feel like offering an opinion on my prplhz case or anything else?
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##vote Oatsmaster
Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him.
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On June 07 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 09:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him. Where/how? Because you were agreeing w/ me about Sent and his scumslip. I was pretty convinced that Sent was scum and would almost surely be voting him now if Ace hadn't caught you. But now I see that you were sheeping me because my read was off. Or perhaps you were bussing but I think that's way less likely @ this point.
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On June 07 2013 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 09:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 07 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 07 2013 09:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him. Where/how? Because you were agreeing w/ me about Sent and his scumslip. I was pretty convinced that Sent was scum and would almost surely be voting him now if Ace hadn't caught you. But now I see that you were sheeping me because my read was off. Or perhaps you were bussing but I think that's way less likely @ this point. ummmmm? So I was looking townier and townier and BAM COP CHECK YOU MUST BE RED! That doesnt make much sense JJD. Yep.
Just taking the #s into account. Odds of mafia getting cop are so much less then then town getting cop.
Then, I fail to see a reason for a scum Ace to lie here. Just to get a single mislych? How is that a good scum play? Scum gets a blue role and THAT's how they try to utilize it?
And then there's the fact that I think you look alot scummier than Ace. I may have started to doubt my initial scumread on you, but I've never had a scumread on Ace
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On June 07 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 11:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 07 2013 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 07 2013 09:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 07 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 07 2013 09:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him. Where/how? Because you were agreeing w/ me about Sent and his scumslip. I was pretty convinced that Sent was scum and would almost surely be voting him now if Ace hadn't caught you. But now I see that you were sheeping me because my read was off. Or perhaps you were bussing but I think that's way less likely @ this point. ummmmm? So I was looking townier and townier and BAM COP CHECK YOU MUST BE RED! That doesnt make much sense JJD. Yep. Just taking the #s into account. Odds of mafia getting cop are so much less then then town getting cop. Not a point. Show nested quote +
Then, I fail to see a reason for a scum Ace to lie here. Just to get a single mislych? How is that a good scum play? Scum gets a blue role and THAT's how they try to utilize it?
He can just say, OH MILLER MY BAD. And cause its 1 shot night roles, he doesnt have to explain why he is alive or not roleblocked or whatever. You understand? 1 reason why I think Ace is scum its cause he isnt addressing the scum side of possibly claiming cop in this setup AT all. Thats bad. Thats really bad. Show nested quote +
And then there's the fact that I think you look alot scummier than Ace. I may have started to doubt my initial scumread on you, but I've never had a scumread on Ace
you're wrong about me. Maybe you are wrong about Ace too. It is a point. It may not be a point that stands on it's own. But it would be dumb not to take it into consideration.
You know that he can't just say "OH MILLER MY BAD" and expect to not get lynched. There's like a 6% chance that you rolled miller. We just can't take miniscule possiblities into account like that.
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On June 07 2013 22:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +You know that he can't just say "OH MILLER MY BAD" and expect to not get lynched. There's like a 6% chance that you rolled miller. We just can't take miniscule possiblities into account like that.
You know, he really could. He could but it wouldn't work. If you flip green, he's gonna get lynched, period.
The only thing that matters with this lynch, is whether you think me or Ace is scum. OK, I think you're scum.
Ignore the cop check or unlikelyness that I am miller or that Ace is dumb to fakeclaim cop.
IGNORE THAT. Why would we ignore that? The fact that this action makes absolute zero sense for a scum Ace to do is a HUGE part of the case against you. Scum is not gonna make a one for one trade. Town on the other hand will make that trade every time.
Go and figure out, with reasons, why either of us is scum. All the night actions or fakeclaims did was pick todays lynch between me and Ace. Thats all. Anything further relating to that is useless speculation No it's usefull speculation. The reason you don't want people to look @ that piece of evidence is because of how bad it makes you look.
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On June 07 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +No it's usefull speculation. The reason you don't want people to look @ that piece of evidence is because of how bad it makes you look.
Yes it makes me look bad, no its not fucking relevant. Ask Kita, Ask Ace. This numbers thing should not be why you wanna lynch me rather than Ace. All I'm saying is it should be taken into consideration. It should NOT ne ignored.
Show nested quote +Why would we ignore that? The fact that this action makes absolute zero sense for a scum Ace to do is a HUGE part of the case against you. Scum is not gonna make a one for one trade. Town on the other hand will make that trade every time. Scum IS gonna make a 1 for 1 trade rather than a 1 for none. Especially since they get rid of a vocal townie in the process. Ace may have felt that this ploy was the only way he would survive to the end of the day. I dont know. Too many things to speculate about which means that its not useful in determining my alignment, or Ace's alignment.
See this is why Ace's play makes no sense for scum. You're saying that there's too many things to speculate about. But I'm not seeing any situation that makes sense here for scum. Please point out a scenerio where Ace exposing himself makes sense. Because "he felt he couldnt handle the pressure." sure as heck isn't a good reason.
Tell me why please, not referring to the fact that I am checked red by a claimed cop.
+ Show Spoiler +: On June 05 2013 21:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:##Vote Oatsmaster His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets lynch Ace guys.
His contributions have been setup speculation, and a random vote on WoS, and defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good.
He never explained his vote and he doesnt seem intent to.
WAGON OF JUSTICE! I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:04 Ace wrote:On June 05 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again. lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out? I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something slightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking. His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other people On June 05 2013 22:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whoop
OMGUS from a newbie.
Wonderful. Huh? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act. And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
...defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay does his n1 mislynch NA in like every game.
Its not alignment indicative.
Its likely that the most active player day 1 isnt scum so lets not lynch WoS.
So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum?
Like I was already voting for you yesterday. It's not like the cop thing is the only thing I'm considering
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On June 08 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today.
Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys.
ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way. Can you show me where you're getting this from? Serious question because I really never felt that anyone aside from you were considering lynching Ace.
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On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me.
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On June 08 2013 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
He said I was town because he was trying to buddy up people outside of the mafia to get the lynch changed, he did the same thing with JJD. This isn't that complicated. ????
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