EPTTHAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME
You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read.
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Umasi
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THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:43 fferyllt wrote: Most of what I'm seeing so far looks town-on-town. And I see trepidation about how serious early votes are, which looks pretty newb to me. Everybody in the game could vote the same player in this next hour and it might not mean a thing in terms of who eventually gets lynched. iVLosK! is provoking lots of reactions and that is good. It gives other players stuff to think about and analyze about every player involved, not just iVLosK!. I agree that iV provoking votes is good, I disagree that it's town on town, assuming iV is included in the town. it's giving us stuff to think about, but is it the correct stuff to think about? It wouldn't have taken much to settle the at the beginning minor accusation. If he did diffuse it, town could be doing OTHER productive things. I wish he'd diffused it, I really do. I think everyone else getting involved in the discussion around iV is town except for iV, who hasn't actually given me a fucking reason to think he's town. | ||
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Umasi
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I'd 100% rather lynch you than some lurker though. | ||
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And my list may have been shitty. If so, ignore it and move on. If you don't ignore it, and it helps you achieve some understanding of the game, then it wasn't useless! If it confuses you, it was bad! So was it bad, null, or good. Did it confuse you, did you ignore it, or did it help you understand the game. Everything you say pisses me off, and that makes me think you're mafia. It's possible you're town! There's always a possibility! It's a possibility my role pm lied! And keeping my options open is important, because someone could come and make a convincing case you are town. I'm not going to just continue tunneling you, that's STUPID. If there is a better lynch than you, I will HAPPILY VOTE IT. At this point, I think you are the best lynch, and have the highest chance of flipping mafia, according to my shit reading abilities. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:59 iVLosK! wrote: "pulling out" teeheehee. Oh yeah? Well as soon as that random OMGUSer shows up, Im gonna take my vote of him and put it on you. The accumulated filth from all your badness and lack of player reading ability will foam up about your waist and you will look up and shout "Save me!" ... and I'll whisper "No." How does that make you feel? It makes me feel annoyed that you take a cocky self assured attitude, but I can't OUTWARDLY TELL WHY YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME. And before you say it's because I'm bad that I can't tell why you're better, I want you to explain it somehow. Hold my hand. If you're town, get along with a townie and hold my hand along this process. Show me your fucking godlike abilities at mafia, and I'll happily sheep, if I think it's how we will win. Why does my badness and lack of player reading ability mean that you should lynch me? | ||
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This is my contribution, my entire game has been this. You can't just say "I'm not scum" and have me believe it, just like I can't say "I'm not scum" and have you believe it. I'll ask you this What motivation did I have for pursuing admittedly shaky reasoning of "he preemptively made an excuse"? If I were scum, why would I do that. Conversation to this point was stagnant. All the attention seems to have been you, but it's not like I hid back and threw fire on the flame. I've done my best to step up to every response you had, and I've been adjusting my reads as I've went, and done my best to contribute, and have tried to be transparent, as town should try to be. If you look at motivations, I don't think there's a hell of a lot for the way I've been playing, if I were mafia. If I were town, you could read these motivations as bad town play if you were also town. If you are mafia though, it stops being bad town play. I think, and this is me being bad, so take it with a fucking cement truck of salt, that looking at motivations is important to finding scum. Look at what was posted and look at what could have motivated people to post like this. | ||
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If you're town, you don't want my vote to be on you, at the very LEAST because it could be on other people more likely to be scum. Just dismissing me as "another idiot, ignore him" is stupid. What if the idiot was a townie? Don't just ignore the bad townies, guide them to the lynch you think is best. | ||
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And I really want someone to explain it to me in a way that's not "well it's obvious you dipshit" | ||
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oh, and before you poke fun at me for pulling off of you, let me offer this preemptive rebuttal (see the irony?) shut up and stop using stupid wordplay. fun as it is for you, it may be confusing for other people (specifically me) and that's bad. ##UNVOTE iVLosK! | ||
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On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote: I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting? I am not meaning to be emotional, what I realized is that he was stirring me up, and that's what I was referring to. For a while I felt like he was egging me, and then I realized he was DEFINITELY egging me.. but I came to the conclusion that doesn't make him mafia or town, it just makes him annoying and antagonistic. I was wrong when I thought he started the use of the word brofists, but I do not like how he ran with it. It still annoys me, because it's nothing but misdirecting to me and the main reason I had for thinking he was scum, was his stupid antagonism. That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch. The reason I've gone afk for about an hour at a time is I've been trying to cool my head, and then I get back and he posts some shit about me drowning in my own mediocrity and I think "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS" So although I'd still like to lynch him, god knows I'd like to lynch him, out of spite, I've decided it's a bad idea. I originally pressured him on that stupid and inconsequential point (preemptive excuses) because I wanted to get discussion rolling, and I got overly emotional, in the face of him. I'm rambling, it's late, but I'm not tired. so I'll try to consolidate if anything is confusing. | ||
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Certainly not positive. I would not be fucking surprised in the slightest if he flipped scum, and I'd be delighted if he did! (not to say I wouldn't be delighted if we flipped scum at all) but my read on him has gone everywhere, and it also feels like I'm being pulled along by the towns opinion | ||
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regardless. The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it. When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia). When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me. And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway. What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum. I think that made sense. Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched. | ||
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Umasi
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But look at where attitude got me last time in my reasoning of things. | ||
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And given xzav appears to be everyones (including mine) townread, why not suck up to him. | ||
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Umasi
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Because I have no friggen clue, given a lot of people still haven't posted, and I want to see them post and I don't want to talk myself in circles here with the remaining people who HAVE posted, since I don't think a case could be made for any of them | ||
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Umasi
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channel your inner iV FEEL THE iV !!!!! no I'm totally kidding about that ^^ please don't I still have you read as town, I'm just curious why you're so nice, and wondering if it's because you're a legitimately nice person haha. If you are, woooo! nice people! if not, hmmmm well whatever who cares nice people! I'm just trying to make sure I don't get too pumped about you being town because you're friendly :3 | ||
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Sorry xzav! Is there anyone you guys want to discuss, since I'm here and certainly not falling asleep any time soon t.t | ||
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