EPTOn May 15 2013 08:15 ObviousOne wrote:
I buddied you first VE.
I buddied you first VE.
Well here's to hoping you're not scum.
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Well here's to hoping you're not scum. | ||
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...because just opposing my lynch (while not meaningless) isn't enough for me to drop my suspicion of Vayne. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Whoa there tiger this is the guy defending you. Have some fucking faith sir. | ||
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Like, here's the backbone of my read of him. On May 14 2013 02:10 ObviousOne wrote: Rayn, Hiro, Oats all potentially good lynches today I know Rayn is a smart guy having just played with him. He and I shared some common threads of thought and generally didn't get in each other's way. His N0 here looks a lot like thread sentiment mirroring; town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory. Hiro dropped the bomb that I smell bad and then disappeared once getting that concept embedded into the thread. Needs to be looked into today. Also, somehow he has the opinion that mechanics are going to help us more than reason (early game, implied not explicitly stated) if we are smart about them. Please expound upon this idea because I don't get how one set of night actions is going to help when half of the players are barely here, including yourself. Oats I need to read but I am getting a little bit of deja vu going after him so early. Of the two candidates last game, Oats ended up basically making people resent the level of crazy he brings to the game. I'm actually not sure how to detect a scum Oats specifically so I will have to check out his scum games today. @Prom nothing to tear down about you, very clear to me you are likely town based on this morning. This is the kind of post I expect to see from a town OO. A scum OO wouldn't be going on about posting styles re: rayn imo - and rayn is something of a hard-target if you think about it because he's received some notoriety recently for being a decent townie. I would expect a scum OO to wait to see if there's any kind of thread sentiment for voting rayn and come up with some bullshit reason to just do it rather than explore options. I can totally relate to what he says about Oats - I have a hard time reading the guy myself, but I will say that he knows how to look townie when he wants to and I'm not seeing much of that this game. However for myself I think he's active enough to be a bad lynch, so I disagree with his conclusion. His suspicion of Hiro I think is just fine - dude has been relatively absent and frankly if I didn't feel so strongly about Vayne and think I had a better case, I would be on Hiro myself. I can't see a scum OO making this post...it's too much like him trying to figure out the game - OO isn't really skilled enough (no offense sir, just an observation) to fake something like that imo. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote: glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote: So what town motivations do you see in his martyring and asking to be kept alive? The hypocrisy is strong with this one. I don't believe I have ever seen a townie do that. Well you clearly haven't read as many games of mine than your love of me would have me believe. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:41 grush57 wrote: I'm likin the OO and Vayne lynch. Moreso than WoS /facepalm Do you read before you say things grush? Just wondering because Prom and I are in here trying to decide BETWEEN OO/Vayne, so just saying you like both of them is like saying nothing at all. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote: IM AWAKE. Difference in prp and chaoser is that chaoser is just posting some stuff about rayn, but not pushing, but prp is trying to get hiro lynched. /dunked. Rayn, you posted the MOST about me, everyone else you seem to be asking questions and interacting with them. Why not with me? I think im justified in calling me your top scum read, but you never ask me anything  . SnB, why am I scum? VE, elaborate on my 'interesting' list post pls. Well, for one it's a listing with your read of every player in the game. I found that interesting as list posts are largely frowned upon, but as I said, because you were requested to make the list I took it at face value. I disagree with some of your conclusions, but because you limited yourself (mostly) to a sentence each I assumed you would elaborate later. You haven't really, and you haven't done much to get anyone lynched. Frankly the townfeels I got from the list have all but evaporated completely. You should comment on the current discussion of OO vs. Vayne or tell us who else you want to lynch that isn't one of those players and why. | ||
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I will move to OO to secure a lynch when the time comes. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: VE, can we talk about chaoser for a bit once night hits? I don't want to distract from lynching during crunch lynch time but I'm not sure what to make of him and based on his last post I assume you have enough of a history with him to help me out on this one. Gladly. I've been wondering where that dude went most of this phase. I wouldn't say we have a ton of history, but I've played some games with chaoser and know approximately what he's capable of as both alignments. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:14 Promethelax wrote: Why not try to force people to consolidate onto Vayne? You seem pretty sure he is scum and are quick to let his lynch go. Whats going on? Well, 2 things. 1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender. 2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town". Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote: Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases): 1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game) 2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular) 3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum). My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now. 1) This is something I'd missed reading over him earlier. I agree that it isn't much, but yeah as town I'd expect less defensiveness from OO in this scenario. I didn't see it so much as defensive at the time, but looking back it could be. 2) I'm with chaoser on this one. "Eagerly" is your subjective opinion of the post, and whether it's true or not, him speculating about the NK isn't a scumtell imo. It's null at best - actually I'd take it more as a towntell than anything because scum KNOW what happened at night. Talking about it right out of the gates is just like...asking to be looked at. So yeah, on this point we disagree. 3) At first I disagreed with this point as well as I said - but you're right in that while he was asking for death, he jumped at the opportunity to live (a la "VE cases Vayne"). I can see scum motivation for this action, while trying to see it from a townie perspective forces me to assume that OO is bad, which I have all but ruled out at this juncture. OO is NOT bad. Added from my own observations: HARD defending DP's miller claim decision as a townie action DIRECTLY flowing into having a strong scumread of DP seems contradictory to me considering DP's flip. If townie, if he honestly thought it was the best move for townDP to claim miller, I can't see him flipping his read of DP so suddenly and based on so little. It makes sense from a scum perspective considering the heat DP was garnering though, with the very real possibility of a DP lynch, and this further synergizes with the DP kill if OO is scum - DP had flipped town sentiment around and he was viewed as most likely town by several players. I DP lynch looked less likely toward the end of N0. In this vein, the following quote looks especially bad. On May 13 2013 08:14 ObviousOne wrote: VE what do you make of me being strongly in favor of lynching DP if he doesn't die tonight? Same question at you BH. | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote: What's wrong with wanting DP vigged? Nothing - I'm just saying that taken with the fact that he actually died it looks bad. Like "Oh look! A vig listened to me after all, but DANG he was town. Whoopsiedaisy, oh well at least we know it was a vig and not scum right? Right guys?" | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Without his miller claim? That was basically the only thing that went on with him the whole night, wasn't it? He had a back and forth with OO too that was the basis of OO's scumread of him. | ||
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