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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 13 2013 23:33 GMT
#499
I'm interested on why marv thinks my "interest" in pre-game is alignment indicative at all regarding how I'm playing here.
I think I even explicitly said I wouldn't pay much attention to the game in pre-game or something (I don't remember exactly what I posted), so I thought marv would have paid attention to it as well.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 13 2013 23:39 GMT
#500
Yo austin, do you have any reads?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 00:25 GMT
#509
You still think Oats will flip scum? What do you say about all the stuff everybody said "in favor" of Oats?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 01:49 GMT
#555
I'm trying to emulate my town play...?
Dude, if I was scum trying to "emulate" my town play you wouldn't be calling me scum now (e.g D1 LIX)

On February 14 2013 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:
And just so it's clear: it's not like there's been some big explosion in content between gonzaw being scummy and gonzaw being town-like. Like, if it was the first few posts in the game and everyone was derping around asking about policy or talking about tomorrow's lynch mechanic a few worthless posts would be forgivable but the time that passed between this post
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On February 14 2013 05:09 gonzaw wrote:
On February 14 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote:
On February 14 2013 04:57 gonzaw wrote:
Kay im back

I would like to kill randombum today. Stuff he posted seemed too "neutral" and shit, specially that "wall of text" about BH.

Other than that maybe kill BH, he's being his usual trolly scum self, specially with that bad case on Oats.


I know you usually to be a gentleman of many words; the Captain of Debates (Cods).

Yet your discourse thus far has been sadly limited, one might say you have given up your place and become the Captain of Rare Pronouncements (Carps).

Is the gentleman not amiable to great discourse with his colleagues?


I skimmed the game and those are my first impressions.
Everything else is null and some pointless discussions.

marv, is this thing of yours a post restriction or are you doing it intentionally?


and this one

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On February 14 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
Sorry for the absence, I was playing PoE.

On February 14 2013 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
just to be clear: gonzaw is being profoundly useless acting like scum weird posts doesn't make sense blah blah you get the point


I won't say I haven't been "useless", but I haven't been paying much attention to this game and not much has been going on.

Most of the "pointless discussions" were about Oats being scum for saying some stuff about the mayor choice, which I didn't see at all, and you just seemed to nit-pick stuff which didn't seem alignment-indicative at all.
That makes me a little suspicious of you, since you seem to still think Oats is scum and think your reasons are "legit".

Parking your vote on me right now is "easy" as well.

On February 14 2013 06:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:06 austinmcc wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
also yeah gonzaw what's your deal are you scum or what

if you vote him i'll sheep you.

Why do you want to lynch Gonzaw?

Cuz he lurks and doesn't say anything useful and/or looking like he's trying to figure the game out.

Both were not things one could attribute him with the game I just played with him, where he was town, so I figure he may well be scum.


I basically joined this game for the PTP part lol
I'm not that invested in the actual mafia game itself, as I was with MTG, but whatever.


I still kind of want to kill randombum, but not many people have done enough stuff for me to get a good scum read on someone.
Stuff like this and this seem too neutral and trying to blend in.

Cheesecake posted some weird stuff I believe, but seemed kind of non-chalant so he may actually be town.
I didn't really notice anything else out of the ordinary in a scummy way.
Dandel is acting weird though, but he's still being a dick as he does as town (last game for instance) so he gives me a slight town gut feeling.


like nothing happened in thread that would give him more info about this stuff, it's just people pressuing him and him realizing he's slipped up

Gonzaw could have showed up and made this quasi-helpful post right away but he did not. And it wasn't dicking around at the start of the game, it was scum-motivated posting pushing scum objectives. his backpedaling to me only further indicates his scumminess


I don't really see why this makes me scum.

I skimmed the game, found those stuff interesting, then I went to play some PoE.

When I came back, I decided to provide some more insightful stuff (even if there wasn't much I could post about). I did see I was getting some "pressure" from some guys (mainly you I guess). Trying to be more helpful could mitigate those suspicions so the whole day wouldn't revolve around me.

I don't get why you just tag some posts as "scum-like" and other posts as "town-like" just like that.

Gonzaw could have showed up and made this quasi-helpful post right away but he did not


I didn't feel the need to post "quasi-helpful" stuff that early (I don't really get what exactly from my post is "quasi-helpful" though) because I felt it was kind of early and I wasn't paying much attention.
I would have preferred more people chiming in before posting "lol I'm null on everybody" and that kind of unnecessary shit.


On February 14 2013 10:09 randombum wrote:
Just got back. I'm currently dis-liking oats and gonzow. Marv too.

Oats. While I defended his original response to BH about his thoughts on mayor, he started to really clutter the thread asking pointless questions and getting really defensive/agitated. Sorta what some others have pointed out.

Gonzow. He called me scum. Seriously though, his play has been lacking focus. He has self admitted that he mainly cared for the role creation part. That might be true, or a mafia excuse to lurk. There's also his reasoning "too neutral" what does that even mean? Is he referring to the part that marv also mentioned where I praise BH after spending a really long post calling him wrong? That's just being polite.


It seemed you posted the BH thing just to blend in.
You posted "safe" "neutral" stuff (or "agreeable" stuff I'd say), then didn't do much at all later.
For instance, this stuff you posted now seems "neutral" as well.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 02:12 GMT
#565
On February 14 2013 10:58 randombum wrote:
So no matter what I say your going to call it "neutral" and label me scum.

Posts relatively long, but not too specific post agaisnt BH. Too neutral.
Posts concise reads on two players that stood out to him. Too neutral.

I don't like your reasoning at all. Either you are honestly think I'm scum, which would make you wrong, or you are purposely trying to interpret me in a negative light which only mafia would do. So that said

##vote gonzaw.


I never said I was 100% sure you were scum. Those were the things that caught up from your posts, and out of everybody would make me want kill you the most.
But with this OMGUS you are certainly getting there faster.

Also by "neutral" I mean "agreeable" basically.
1-Post that Instant lynch is good
2-Say that BH is acting weird and his case is bad
Now you go against me, which is what's "cool" at the moment apparently.

Tell me, why exactly are you voting me for? Do you agree with what BH said? I didn't see you mention anything about it.

You are OMGUSing, and hell you are even posting how I could be town yet conclude I'm scum with no other additional reason
Either you are honestly think I'm scum, which would make you wrong...


So tell me, why am I not a "townie that is wrong about you" ? You don't post any reasoning other than apparently some sarcasm with the "too neutral" shit up above.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 19:23 GMT
#671
On February 14 2013 11:40 randombum wrote:
So basically. I don't think your scum, but I want to kill you?


I'm not 100% certain, specially not at that point, but sure out of everybody in the game I wanted to kill you the most.

I posted it not three posts before, are you even reading my filter?

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On February 14 2013 10:09 randombum wrote:
Just got back. I'm currently dis-liking oats and gonzow. Marv too.
[snip]
Gonzow. He called me scum. Seriously though, his play has been lacking focus. He has self admitted that he mainly cared for the role creation part. That might be true, or a mafia excuse to lurk. There's also his reasoning "too neutral" what does that even mean? Is he referring to the part that marv also mentioned where I praise BH after spending a really long post calling him wrong? That's just being polite.


Or in the quote you are responding to.

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On February 14 2013 11:12 gonzaw wrote:
On February 14 2013 10:58 randombum wrote:
So no matter what I say your going to call it "neutral" and label me scum.

Posts relatively long, but not too specific post agaisnt BH. Too neutral.
Posts concise reads on two players that stood out to him. Too neutral.

I don't like your reasoning at all. Either you are honestly think I'm scum, which would make you wrong, or you are purposely trying to interpret me in a negative light which only mafia would do. So that said

##vote gonzaw.




Are you purposely reading my posts the wrong way or are you just bad at this game? Either way its not a very good reason to keep you around.


That first post of yours appeared to just be a comment of sorts. I don't see you calling me scum with that. It's certainly not enough justification for OMGUSing me in that second post. You just say "I don't like gonzaw" and post some wishy-washy stuff about me.

Notice I never called you scum, I just think you are not contributing which can be bad town or scum. That's better than the null reads I have on almost anybody else.


So...you don't think I'm scum?
Seems hypocritical with this in mind:

On February 14 2013 11:40 randombum wrote:
So basically. I don't think your scum, but I want to kill you?


I assume you said this with a negative tone (your whole post has a confrontational tone against me, thus no reason to assume this bit isn't). I assume this makes you "suspicious" against me or something.
Yet you do exactly the same thing...?
You basically don't think I'm scum, but you want to kill me.

You sheep other people's opinions on stuff (on Oats, on me, etc), you OMGUS me with no reasoning at all, and your intentions are contradictory. You attack me like you think I'm scum, but then instantly backpedal into saying I'm just "not contributing so I don't want to keep you around", which is hypocritical with that "suspicion" you posted about me before.
You attacking me makes no sense, and it seems you are just content on sheeping BH and parking your vote on me.

Yeah, I'm fine lynching you today.
##Vote: randombum

I haven't read other people yet though.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 19:28 GMT
#672
Yeah Duck 2 wins there.
Although Duck 1 could have venomous acne, could pop his zits in Duck 2's face and let him die a slow death.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 19:38 GMT
#675
Yo marv, care to answer my previous question?

I wouldn't mind lynching Hassy/Sylencia/Cheesecake, but it's like a shot in the dark right now.
I don't remember Xfire and jcralson contribute anything this past 24 hours either.

Kei, you think Oats is scum?
Personally he's not playing like in LIX, where he just antagonized every excerpt of authority and cussed against everybody. Him sheeping people like this is....well dumb, but unlike his previous scum play in my mind, which gives me a town gut feeling one him

On February 15 2013 02:18 Keirathi wrote:
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On February 15 2013 02:14 austinmcc wrote:
On February 15 2013 02:09 iamperfection wrote:
On February 15 2013 02:07 austinmcc wrote:
I don't love saying Hassy was more active "by a large margin," but for reference: Hassy's filter from the world he started out in in Parallel mafia

At least within his D1, he's actively reading both threads. He discusses the general plan of who to swap where. He asks Foolishness, who was in the other thread, some questions concerning Foolishness's posts. When Darkfire posts his weird claim, Hassy questions Darkfire. When Dieno is being lynched (and after lynch), he's trying to draw conclusions from what was happening.

A lot of his activity was on that first day, and it somewhat tailed off afterwards. I would like to see hassy more active, but I don't currently want to vote him as #1.

then who do you want to kill the most?

I started a post saying gonzaw, but I don't think that's my choice. Pretty sure I'm overvaluing LIX in being willing to lynch him, because there I didn't put enough stock in his activity. Here, he was momentarily Gonzaw after being called out, and then went back to being nothing. That's the same pattern that I didn't value enough in LIX, but the circumstances are also different in that he had a red check there and no red check here.

What I would really like is for Sylencia or Cheesecake to show up and be able to chat with them for like 20 minutes.

I could possibly get behind gonzaw. At first I was against it, but I went back and read Aperture 2 compared to WLIIA. In Aperture, he was thinking about everyone, giving thoughts about everyone, hopping around all over the place. In WLIIA, he focused in on one person (me), and spent the entirety of his time alive talking about me and why I was scum, with very few references towards questioning or commenting on other people.


Considering town Keirathi from WLIIA, this seems too "passive" from you. If you thought I was scum you wouldn't show hesitation to call me out, yet here you just post some stuff that to me even seems rehashed from other times I've played with you if I recall correctly, and don't even seem to have anything to do with this game (you just said how I played in both Aperture and in WLIIA and that's it, you make no conclusion at all)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 19:48 GMT
#676
On February 15 2013 04:31 randombum wrote:
You know, I was seconds from actually saying I probably overreacted after sleeping on it, but now that just looks silly. Let me respond a bit and end it sense the two of us tunneling on each other is not beneficial.


Hmm, fair enough.
If you'll say you "overreacted" then I'm willing to hear who your other "targets" are, which you haven't yet (other than me)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 19:53 GMT
#678
On February 15 2013 04:49 austinmcc wrote:
Wait, Gonzaw you think Keirathi has been too passive this game?


Not the game per se (haven't thoroughly read his filter yet though), but with his stance on me.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 21:12 GMT
#692
On February 15 2013 04:54 randombum wrote:
I'm just going to address your last paragraph since a lot of the top is reasonable. I did attack you when there wasn't much to base it on. Mainly, I just wanted to get something going since at the time there was nothing being discussed and I was bored. So a weak attack (which it is, my whole point is "you are reading me wrong, you are bad/scum") was what came to mind.
But,
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On February 15 2013 04:23 gonzaw wrote:

You sheep other people's opinions on stuff (on Oats, on me, etc), you OMGUS me with no reasoning at all, and your intentions are contradictory. You attack me like you think I'm scum, but then instantly backpedal into saying I'm just "not contributing so I don't want to keep you around", which is hypocritical with that "suspicion" you posted about me before.
You attacking me makes no sense, and it seems you are just content on sheeping BH and parking your vote on me.


needs to be addressed. How am I sheeping on other opinions when I'm the only one that attacked you in the way I did? Because other people have attacked you for other reasons? I'll admit I looked harder at you and oats because you two stuck out.


??
When BH made the "case" against me, you OMGUS me out of nowhere, that seemed sheeping to me.
Your previous opinion on me wasn't "original" either, since Dandel and BH had basically posted what you said earlier.

I don't see any backpedaling at all. In the same post where I voted you my reasoning was "Either you are honestly think I'm scum, which would make you wrong, or you are purposely trying to interpret me in a negative light which only mafia would do." then the post after it's " I just think you are not contributing which can be bad town or scum."

Its consistent, perhaps bad, but consistent.


The way you voted for me made it seem like you were convinced I was scum or some shit, there was no "oh I'll just kill you for being useless" tone in your posts.


So would you still lynch me or not? More importantly, do you think I'm scum or not? I don't care if you want to "kill me just because" or something.


On February 15 2013 05:01 Keirathi wrote:
You were attacking me for being passive and not having definitive reads, just probing around. So, if I was doing that in that game, and doing it in this game, why am I actually scum this time?

And also, I beg to differ that I didn't come to a conclusion. I said I would be up for lynching you, then gave an example of your town play and your scum play. Obviously if I thought you were town, I wouldn't want to lynch you. Therefore the obvious implication was that I think you have a good chance of being scum.


Your "analysis" in your post was fluff, you just said how I acted in Aperture and how I acted in WLIIA, without forming any connection with this game at all.
You think I'm acting like WLIIA? If so why didn't you post anything about it in that post? Why didn't you go deeper into it?

Also I dunno if you are scum this time, that's what I want to find out.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:40 GMT
#887
Oh shit I almost missed the deadline

I'm here now, skimmed the thread

I guess I'd be okay with a randombumb lynch, but I'm not so sure about it right now, him backing off me after that "shitty" OMGUS seems kind of weird to do as scum. It won't be happening either way though.

If we want a lynch today, then I'm willing to consolidate onto iamp/Hassy.
I don't have strong scum/town feelings on either of them though. I'd prefer a Hassy lynch over iamp, iamp at least is here in the thread posting stuff, but Hassy hasn't done anything at all.

Haven't really read that much into BH's Oats case but meh it's not convincing.


gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:47 GMT
#900
##Vote: Hassy

Even if Hassy is a coinflip at this point, I think it's a better lynch than Oats.
I'm not that convinced about the stuff said about Oats
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:52 GMT
#911
Ah fuck it, if lynching oats is the only way to avoid NL then let's do it

I'm not sure if there will be enough people on board to do so though
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:53 GMT
#915
But even if Oats gets 6-7 votes it's not enough.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:54 GMT
#919
We can try at least I guess

##Unvote: Hassy
##Vote: Oats
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:54 GMT
#923
So he should have like 6 or 7 votes now right?

Does someone know how many exact votes he has?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:55 GMT
#926
Wow those were some fast votes there
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:56 GMT
#938
Okay I counted the roles and there are indeed 9

Thank god this was a nightmare
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 14 2013 23:57 GMT
#939
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