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Sylencia.. sorry to step in.
But i would word jampidampi as the easier lynch of the 2 mafia as well.
I have had very strong suspicions of the 2nd mafia.. but have been trying to keep pressure on only 1 player, to avoid association cases.
my problem, and something that needs to be evaluated is zarepath.
His hawking/lurking is very over the top.. and though he added justification for swapping votes.. *ANYBODY* can write rational after the event (and with 1 day to pass through the coaches, it can be refined to sound like town)
So I am confused with how to handle zarepath... what do you think?
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On January 08 2013 01:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am going to bed. My preferred candidates are Omni, Zare, and TeMiL, and I will settle for any of them. I'll try and get up in three hours so I can influence the lynch if it is not going the way I intend. I have certain changes to my plan if particular events happen.
On January 08 2013 01:00 Spaghetticus wrote:
I could be persuaded to vote for:
- TeMiL
- OmniEulogy
- JampiDampi
- ZarePath
Dont forget you said you could be persuaded for jampidampi
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Awesome work zarepath.
I share the same sentiments... if you read my Night1 last will...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=28#552)
most of my requests were for people to follow up on Spaghetticus.
I thank you for doing this; it covers a lot of the points I had in my head.
HOWEVER,
It is critical town bands together their vote. With a majority of 4 votes, jampidampi will be guaranteed lynch. We need you to join our vote.
(Aside) If JK is around, they can block Spag; and game is over. (Or in the words of ?scum? Closed out)
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[General Musing]
For me.. Spag has always been #1 but i was worried about securing the votes to push.
Now that zarepath has voted Spag.
Are we certain of zarepath vs jampi?
I guess in favour of zarepath.
Spag has been OK to vote him & has tried to save jampi
I guess in favour of jampi
zarepath did provide his vote swaps more than 24hrs later.
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Good work Omni.
I can definitely appreciate the time it goes into making these cases.
A few connections are biasd, but overall; its about the flow, and you definitely described in detail the flow of jampi (or should we say.. the lack of anything meaningful)
Well done.
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Sylencia.. I need to play devils advocate here and run a few scenarios, to see if we have missed anything.
I am sorry but this is mainly association cases.,
For me Spag is guaranteed scum; zarepath has done a better job than i would have done and highlighting the slips etc.
If Spag is scum.. i just cant see Omni being scum.
because.. its pointless having 2 active mafia..so for the active role, it was between spag/omni.
For Day1 lynch I chose omni.. but now I am firm on Spag.
You unvoted Omni, so i suppose you can agree with this logic.
If we consider mafia #2.. makes sense to be a lurker.
prime candidates are
zarepath, jampidampi, TeMiL
spag has constantly pushed to protect jampi, and vote TeMiL (day2)..
Considering Spag voted TeMiL day 1.. i cant see TeMiL being mafia.. a day1 bus is just too early.
So TeMiL is cleared as innocent due to association with Spag.
as for zarepath.. it could be a good play to bus spag.. he knows i have been onto him, i have telegraphed my read on Spag for a while in the thread now.
zarepath has been absent enough to fly under teh radar, and has white knighted me as well (the whole imitate my vote thing).
So I can see zarepath being a very intelligent end game scum gambit.
The problem is jampi..
why would spag keep trying to protect jampi.. thus, we get to WIFOM.
maybe spag protected him, SO WE WOULD VOTE JAMPI by association...
or maybe spag protected jampi to keep the team alive..
What Omni has poitned out with jampi is spot on... the question is.. is the likelihood of zarepath being scum high enough; to vote Spag.. and just deal with jampi/zarepath in Day 3?
Or do we just stay with jampi
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Guys.. its 1.43am.
I am going to go to bed.
I am waking up @ 6:00am (lynch is @ 08:00)
I have put my thoughts above.. the options for vote are... jampi / spag / zarepath
I am comfortable maintaining the vote on jampi.. but if we want gaurantees of majority, i suppose we have to join forces with zarepath on Spag.
When I come back to teh thread.. it should give me enough time to get up to speed, and join which ever of those 3 is required.
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The WIFOM is related to
why did Spag protect jampi.
was it because jampi is teammate
or because he was trying to setup jampi as teammate
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Look I agree.. and Omni agrees
we should change to Spag
sort out yourself/jampi on Day3.
the problem is.. Sylencia.
jampi has 3 votes now.. so to vote spag needs 4 votes to over take.
Thus.. i can vote spag now.. so can omni.. the question is whether sylencia will join in time to do the +1 vote to make it 4.
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Either way.. zarepath
your welcome to comment why it would be jampi over you.
for now.. im going to bed.
like is aid before.. i will wake up 2hrs before and see the vote status quo.
Will add my vote where needed.
Night.
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hmm. back.
was expecting more activity and potentially vote changes.
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On January 08 2013 06:20 Spaghetticus wrote:
I was deliberately excluding Zare, not Jamp. I would happily vote for Jamp but not Zare.
With his final words; Spag leaves us with WIFOM.
Now he says he was deliberately excluding zarepath; yet
when he left prior.. he writes this..
On January 08 2013 01:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am going to bed. My preferred candidates are Omni, Zare, and TeMiL, and I will settle for any of them. I'll try and get up in three hours so I can influence the lynch if it is not going the way I intend. I have certain changes to my plan if particular events happen.
There is no way a townie would act this way when under the gun; (i.e. confuse/complicate matters further)
Therefore Spag is now/was a firmer mafia than the remaining null players.
I suggest to use zarepath vote and bandwagon Spag.
##unvote
##vote: Spaghetticus
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On January 08 2013 06:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
He is playing the type of scum game I would attempt. At the same time he is playing the town game I would have liked to if I wasn't so passive-aggressive.
I wouldn't try to copy my playstyle.
The feedback Im getting in PMs is constantly slamming me.. (This game and last.)
Perhaps its a style that only works in smaller environments.
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FARK... i have a 40min bus ride to decide what to do.
Let it be known, I am giving Spaghetticus defense serious thought.
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On January 08 2013 07:14 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am cop. I checked Zarepath, and he was clean. My posturing around his lynch was just that. I did not want to have to explain why I was not voting for this incredibly scummy town.
##UNVOTE
Thought about it...
Re-Read and noticed this.
"I am cop. i checked zarepath"
Well. Spag.. you have doubted my intentions *ALL* game; you have attempted to associate my name and scum together all game, the same as you have done with OmniEulogy.
You can check zarepath case against you, for evidence.
So.. on the first night, if I was such a scare to you.. why would you check zarepath out of all people..
God cop play would have been to check me, if you thought I was leading the discussions.
and from your post history, it suggests you did think i was leading the discussoin.
THUS
##Vote:Spaghetticus
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Guys, we gotta do what the coaches keep telling me.
stopping using weak heuristics.
i.e.. I assumed 2 mafia wouldnt be actvie.
we have no evidence that states they woud or wouldnt.. so we cant use that as a method of deduction.
All the TeMiL jampi relationships are hypothetical.. if ew work with what we have... which is Spgahetticus filter.
its plagued all over.
lastly, his cop claim as i mentioned in the above post.. doesnt make sense.. why wouldnt he check me... we have been having digs at each other all game.... i would be instant choice...
this is a last minute desperation play
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heading to bus now.. so will only be able to type via phone (i.e. limited responses) and no quotes (too hard to delete irrelevent text)
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This is my assumption. We in selection ?3. 1 jk only.
This is only a guess but i think it might be temil. He was the one who quoted growing in his role
mind u. That could mean anything
short story is i think spag claim is fake. I took a step back read it openly. Even unvoted so i wasnt biased in my head... The check on zarepath kust doesnt make sense it should have been me.
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Why release this now as well. Look what it has rwsulted in. We not firm on the vote
this is a clear attempt to derail votes.
If u put urself in cop shoes. His logic and play in general dowsnt add up.
I have enoughbrespwct for spag and hia game to know he wouldnt make these decisions as town
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Omni. Ur point is valid. Im nit going to argue your opinion.
I ask of u 1 question.
If a case was made for me and i was seroously conaidered. Just because i say im cop. U will unvote?
Where in his filter doea he act like a cop.
He doesnt ecen offer a brwadcrumb for us
do i need to remind u chromatifally had breadcrimba for his rb role...
This all smells phony to me. What is your opinion with this context?
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