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On May 02 2012 09:20 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
and yet you've offered no alternative?
I like how your reasoning is "because he shouldn't die yet" and not "because I think VE is town."
you have no balls, scum. Votes are used to keep someone alive no? Not voting is essentially lynching. He is certainly not the towniest person out there, but he should by no means be the first person to get killed. There are players that are much more concerning to me. PS: I just checked and I was right, I do still have a pair of balls.
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
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On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
prplhz & sandroba Do you think I am magically going to convince the town to not vote for them after all the back & forth crap with gonzaw?
Nice defeatist attitude. Great for town, yeah?
On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:
Please point out where I have said the bolded. I am not using my votes to simply stack them up on my strongest townreads, as I feel it is more important for me to save VE from getting killed currently.
If I feel there are more likely persons scum than VE, and VE is about to die, why should I let him die?
Also, I am also voting for my strong townreads, (MZ), as I want try to ensure that no tricky disco maneuvers get him killed.
You didn't say that exactly, I was incorrect in what I remembered. When I looked back this is what I found that I remembered you saying:
On May 01 2012 21:38 Cephiro wrote:
About voting: I am fine with spreading my votes, or concentrating them on one person mostly, depending on how the persons I find trustworthy would like to act.
I'd like to point out the possibility of voting in "circle", in smaller groups or pairs. For example, let's say everyone agreed that Radfield & Meapak should in no circumstances be lynched today, they could be allowed to simply vote each other to reach the 5 votes. I'd personally suggest groups of 3 & pairs.
So why are you deciding to be the only person to vote for VE?
Again, you don't give a reason for defending VE. You just claim he shouldn't die yet. That's not good enough, and quite frankly it's scummy as fuck because it ruins a lot of the work many of us have done.
As town I don't believe you would be this uncooperative.
Last thing I'll note about Cephiro:
On May 01 2012 11:43 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2012 11:09 gonzaw wrote:Meta is a very effective tool. Most people use it very badly and just say things like "Oh, he was active in that game when he was town, he's inactive right now so he's scum". You have to analyze behaviour and motivation when you use meta. Here is your filter from DF2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=183812You can instantly find differences. For instance, you are calm and analytical. In this game you are overcome by "emotion", you are very aggressive and you don't have a focus on things, you just cling on to something (arguing with me for instance) and stay with it for the rest of the game. When people accuse you (syllogism for instance) and start shitting on you you keep your cool. Now someone FoSes you for the first time and you go on a rampage. In that game you obviously care about the game. You post your thoughts every once in a while to keep up with discussion, and you do it in a straight manner without misdirecting or anything. Here you don't care about discussion either. You started shitting on people for pointing out plans. Then when people want your reads you tell them you won't post shit. Then when someone takes notice of this and FoSes you you flip your shit and tunnel the hell out of him, without even caring about other things from the game. For instance, you don't care about the most important part: finding scum. "Oh, he was analytical and calm in that game when he was town, he's being more "aggressive" now, so he's scum." Do you see what you are doing here? You do realize it doesn't even take a skilled person in psychology to fake that, or act in another way on purpose? As for your final question, my final answer: I will give my reads when I have enough content to back it up.If you think I am scummy for not going around pointing fingers when I am unsure myself... well, I'll let everyone make their conclusions of that. As I said before, I find making one proper case more useful rather than make 3 jabs at different people without anything to back it up. That is all.
So, Cephiro here says he'll give his reads when he has enough content to back them up.
Has he backed up his reads of sandro and prplhz? Nope.
He then says making one proper case is more useful than making 3 jabs at different people without anything to back it up...
well, Cephiro still has no case of his own, (with about 2:10 left in the day or so) and, the best part? He's been jabbing at people just as much as anyone he's arguing with.
Evidence here:
On May 01 2012 10:51 Cephiro wrote:
I sincerely hope you two are not townies. -_-
(at gonzaw + wiggles)
On May 01 2012 21:38 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler [My Round B Vote List] +--------------------People I would prefer my votes going to: VisceraEyes Meapak_Ziphh Liquid`Sheth --------------------People I am ok voting for: Radfield --------------------People I can vote for if really necessary: Mr. Wiggles EchelonTee --------------------People I will not be voting for today: prplhz chaoser sandroba + Show Spoiler [If I was able to vote for the minority] +
--------------------People I would prefer my votes going to:
Bloodyc0bbler
wherebugsgo
--------------------People I am ok voting for:
Foolishness
gonzaw
--------------------People I can vote for if really necessary:
Palmar
Ace
--------------------People I would not be voting for today:
Katina
syllogism
On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
prplhz & sandroba Do you think I am magically going to convince the town to not vote for them after all the back & forth crap with gonzaw?
note in none of these cases does Cephiro ever give a single shred of reason why he's placed players where he has placed them, nor has he bothered to make a singular case as he said he would prefer gonzaw doing (over jabbing people)
Yet, the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum. Not to mention, he hasn't had a singular focus. The double standard is quite telling.
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On May 02 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
LMAO
Bugs accusing of "the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum".
That's rich. Really, that's priceless.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdFVNSFpOalplM09oTjlkdUpBSWoweWc
I've been PMing it around a bit but I don't have all the definite numbers yet.
I know some people have claimed to have voted certain ways but haven't provided the specific allocations.
Anyway, from the data I've gathered we probably need to get everyone above AT LEAST 6 votes (probably closer to 10 or 11 even) to kill sandro/VE.
Even killing sandro alone will probably take about that many votes, since VE piled five on him.
Keep in mind that unless everyone in the pool has more votes than sandro then sandro will not die. Thus it does NOT help for people to put extra votes on players who already have a lot, like Radfield.
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still need vote claims from Radfield, prplhz, meapak, foolishness, katina.
I've talked with the last 3 recently in PMs so I assume those will come forth shortly. We don't have much time left in the day as it is.
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On May 02 2012 11:38 gonzaw wrote:
If we want to lynch sandroba we need 15 more votes (10 for the other guys to arrive at 6, and 5 for VE to arrive at 5).
That's basically total compliance from 3 out of those 5 you mentioned, and I doubt all of them will follow it.
yeah, VE's votes basically fucked this one up pretty big.
I know I can get compliance with Foolishness and Katina. The problem is that if we put votes on VE to bring him to 5 then it's really easy for scum to just push sandro and VE to 7 votes and then a bunch of townies all die.
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also syllo hinted that he was voting Radfield and Wiggles and one other person (potentially prplhz if I understood his reads correctly)
He probably put two votes on each Radfield and wiggles, though it may not be safe to assume that.
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if everyone but sandro/VE have 7 votes, then putting sandro/VE at 8 will kill like six townies at once.
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see the thing is that if Cephiro is scum, let's say, and we put votes on VE to bring him to par with sandro, Cephiro can save both players by going 3/2 on sandro/ve or something like that.
The names are arbitrary but Radfield hasn't claimed his votes yet either from what I can tell.
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On May 02 2012 11:54 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
see the thing is that if Cephiro is scum, let's say, and we put votes on VE to bring him to par with sandro, Cephiro can save both players by going 3/2 on sandro/ve or something like that.
The names are arbitrary but Radfield hasn't claimed his votes yet either from what I can tell. I am certainly not going to vote for sandro. So.. who are you voting for? Or don't feel like sharing?
tell me who you're voting.
I'm talking it out with foolishness right now, my votes are going down in the next 1-2 minutes.
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On May 02 2012 11:56 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
tell me who you're voting.
I'm talking it out with foolishness right now, my votes are going down in the next 1-2 minutes. I guess we have a situation where we both want to know each others votes first, don't we?
no, fuck you. Read the damn spreadsheet.
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69 of the votes have been claimed to have gone somewhere specific.
There are 5 votes that we know have gone toward Radfield/Wiggles and a third person (these are syllo's votes)
There's 1 vote that chaoser didn't claim.
There's 15 votes between Radfield/sandro/prplhz that have not been claimed.
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ah my bad. I've been getting so many messages that I just keep forgetting things.
70 claimed votes and 5 from syllo, that leaves just those 3 players.
Everyone who is at 9 is safe, and I think everyone who is at 8 is also safe (because there are players who are at 7 and below)
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Radfield has votes from syllo, so he's not actually at 4.
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thanks to VE for playing like a complete ass.
Thanks for saving sandro, you fuck.
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On May 02 2012 13:14 gonzaw wrote:
Wait, didn't prplz have 9 votes in the spreadsheet? O.o
It said chaoser gave 4 votes to prplhz, but he gave them to Cephiro instead?
Is this right? Or did you guys determine that in PMs but didn't update the spreadsheet?
fuck that was me derping.
prplhz and cephiro are one column apart and I just put chaoser's votes in prplhz's column by accident.
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for the record I have it recorded in PMs, so chaoser is fine.
Original Message From chaoser:
i gave my last vote to motbob is great.meapak. sorry for the massf pms haha, i'm just sending messages as i go along
Original Message From wherebugsgo:
I'm writing up a spreadsheet with the votes. You said you put 4 on cephiro; where did you put the last one?
Currently it looks like we'll need at least 6 votes on everyone to kill sandro. .
Can you give me your most important reads? I'd also like to know what you think of Radfield.
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On May 02 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote:
So were all the votes according to the PMs you received? Or were some off? (apparently Foolishness implies some are off)
yeah, I was just missing sandro's and prpl's votes.
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I'm just mad.
I'm curious as to why Ace just said wiggles is scum and sandro is town.
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Ace, mind explaining why you called wiggles scum but not Cephiro?
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