VE, could you explain what made you decide not to protect anyone on night one? I honestly can't think of a reason why a medic wouldn't want to attempt to save someone, unless you die if you protect a scum or something.

Node and Flamewheel, you guys should sub out if you don't have the time to make 2-3 posts a cycle.

Misder, I would like a huge post from you giving your opinions of at least 2-3 people, not named Palmar or Curu.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 20 2011 00:32 GMT

#1442

On August 20 2011 09:01 Scamp wrote:
Good lord, what the hell happened while I was away?

Pretty much everything I wanted to talk about is now moot.

Mind sharing what you were thinking, even if it might not apply anymore?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 22 2011 00:00 GMT

#1515

Another problem with a quicklynch is that if you cast the single vote and end the day, there could be another red check and we have to wait an entire additional cycle.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 22 2011 02:37 GMT

#1537

lol why me curu?

Seems to me that you don't appreciate all my well thought out plans.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 22 2011 04:40 GMT

#1581

-_-

On August 22 2011 12:20 redFF wrote:
LOLOLLOLOLOLOLL
haha
##Vote Sandroba

I went through your post history and the only time you ever mentioned Sandroba was when you asked curu about him. What made you suddenly decide he was scum and vote for him within a couple minutes of the day post?

On August 22 2011 12:38 redFF wrote:
ERM

I DID NOT DO THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WTF JUST HAPPENED.

probably pandain the role thief.

How could pandain be the role thief? He already proved that his role as Qatol was to ban people by removing their powers. Are you saying he can both ban people and steal other people's roles? That doesn't really make any sense.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 22 2011 15:06 GMT

#1594

Just a reminder, make sure to submit your self-analysis based upon the day four lynch.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 23 2011 03:58 GMT

#1644

On August 19 2011 23:47 Pandain wrote:
atmosphereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

GG. Thanks for hosting Ver and Incog.

If anyone wants an amusing read, take a look at around page 66 and on for all of us trying to bait curu to say his bomb trigger :p

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 23 2011 14:21 GMT

#1673

Its extremely difficult to balance a game with 32 blues. Mafia needed to have some pretty powerful roles or things would have spiraled out of hand had some things gone the other way. For example, imagine some combination of LSB's vig shot going through day one, the list checker invention given to a town who wasn't role blocked, a successful medic protection on Foolishness, a witch brings Meapak back to life, ghrur shoots pandain instead of kurumi or a information role coming up red. Town had some pretty strong roles too and out of all those kp, the only one that went through was Jackal's attempted suicide on sandroba, which accidentally killed syllo.

2 shot vig that only kills scum
nurfed inventor
conditional vig
role claim vig
rng tracker + watcher + day 1 bulletproof
mass mason
day vig
dt + 3 person mason
vote rigger
multishot conditional assassin
witch
double vote + bodyguard
role cop
conditional vig
inventor after twin sac
vet + dodge one lynch
admiral akbar
conditional vig + mason
medic
politician
conditional vote rigger

I think the biggest problem was there never was a time where someone could push a lynch or punish someone for being scummy. Day one we had the aidnai fake red check, day two bum randomly throws a nuke at chez, day three we have a red check, and day four was rigged. With such a high mafia kp, town really needed to hit at least a couple of scum during the first two cycles. People can't be allowed to have 10 posts by endgame. I'm not sure what the solution to this would have been, besides continuously hounding them or threatening vig shots.

The roles were pretty imaginative and did a good job matching the personalities. Perhaps, rather thing forcing post restrictions on people, give some suggestions and encourage, but not require it. I can see how the framing role can be pretty frustrating for town. Perhaps a no flip or night action only modification would have worked out better. Other than maybe a limit on the number of bombs Barundar could use, mafia roles seemed reasonable. I liked that fact that we were given a suicide bomber and role thief in order to counteract any insanely strong town powers or role claimers.

Just curious, did I get the forced role claim + role thief power since they were both of the roles I made for PTP/PTP2 or was that just a really big coincidence :p

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 23 2011 15:10 GMT

#1679

On August 23 2011 23:23 Curu wrote:
Oh I just realized the Traitor was unlynchable and gave the Mafia 1 KP and a mislynch too.

-_-

Traitor also could never be recruited so we if accidentally shot him, he died. We got one guess in order to communicate with him and we were looking for a Fishball, but we ended up going with tnkted because of this:

You are Showtime!

Enter a deal with the mafia from day 1 to act with them and be converted. Successfully enter the town's blue circle and subvert control over everyone, effectively winning the game on your own. Get vigi'ed by a crazed townie before you are converted and lose.

We were kinda hoping he would just jump on a lynch one of the days, but I understand what BC was thinking, being worried about accidentally getting a scum lynched.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 23 2011 16:35 GMT

#1683

On August 24 2011 01:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You as a team were retarded, and you failed to find me once.

Not our fault we can't distinguish your town play from your traitor play <3

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

August 24 2011 03:15 GMT

#1709

Another smaller game with a tighter leash on lurkers would definitely be fun. Something else that should probably be steered away from in future games were the rivalry-type roles. They are nice for flavor, but the mechanics rarely seem to work out. The day one lynch was essentially decided before the game started when Kav and aidnai both attacked each other because of their role pm's. Jackal was forced to unnaturally push kurumi to be lynched, even though he probably had a town read and had nothing to gain for actually following his restriction. It might work out if one is town and one is scum, but that is a fairly serious nerf to the scum member. In general, any roles that require people to do things, but not be allowed to explain why, seem really unnatural.