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On May 31 2011 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD. Ok, we have one retarded roleclaim already. We have two people with posting restrictions, we have lists lists and yet more lists and we have the beggining of a bandwagon. This town needs some help. For the roleclaim: I'm inclined to beleive his claim is true, Amber can confirm it for us if he truly uses it. However just because we know his role doesn't mean he's clear. It would have been way better to not claim and just come out after the night phase just so you know red. Posting restrictions: Amber's is actually pretty detrimental to the town. We've already had enough pages talking about it and I don't think we need anymore. If red's role truly does work then Amber will be able to talk then but until that point I think we should stop worry about Amber. We know what yes and no mean so we can ask him questions and we know when he's not happy with someone. As far as I'm concerned that's enough for now. Now onto Palmar. I'd highly suggest people stop fist pounding him. The fact that he's got people to do it already is really bad imo, come on town, where is your suspiciousness. Palmar apparently has to post bro with every post which isn't a problem but we don't know the affect of responding to a fist pound so until we know what it does I think we should stop responding. On lists: I have no idea what these lists are. If they're for dts that's just asking for a framer role. If they're for medics that's asking for the mafia to hit somewhere else. People did this in PYPI and guess what, mafia lynched a pretty obvious townie anyway. Speaking of lynches I'm a little concerned with the group of people who are voting Varpulis. I haven't played a game with him so if this is a meta vote I'd love an explanation. Otherwise I haven't seen him do anything overtly scummy. I'm personally going to wait a bit before placing a vote. I have some suspects but I'm going to see how they act a little longer + read the thread again before persuing them. Town really needs to calm down and stop spamming. For an example of good activity and fairly good posting look at the later half of PYPI. People should be active (obviously) and contribute (obviously) but this level of activity is actually detrimental to the town as good posts or scumtells can get lost in the general mayhem. Might as well merge the roleclaim and amber situation together. red already claimed and if amber has anything to offer red can tell us. Bam, dealt with. I haven't really noticed palmar's thing but that fistpound thing definitely reeks of his role. But I highly doubt its something scum beneficial, like a suicide bomber or something. Rather he gets to do something with the people he fistpounded with, or maybe he can check one. I've explained my reasons on varp, and I think palmar did a good job with a detailed analysis. I dont have anything else on anyone. I'll change it to someone scummier when that someone pops up. And yes less spam = good. Welcome to the zodiac list wooooooooooo.... I still highly doubt a framer role, unless people are saying they made them :/ | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. On an unrelated note, town should keep in mind that mafia has additional information than they normally do in this set-up since they know their own roles and the roles they have created. That's actually decent point, and they know exactly who has what. Hmmm this game will probably require a massclaim at some point, just because of that. 33 people in this set-up is about 6-7 mafia? means they know over 1/3 of the roles. Perhaps there are less and more 3rd party roles, so it would even out the information. Though mafia should be a bit short-handed, because I was prone to make a more town-oriented role, rather then a mafia one, since you are more likely to be town. Alright so that should even out, and methinks there will be alot of KP stuff floating around. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:36 Jackal58 wrote: It's not spam. I don't know you from Adam. Yet you want to dictate how I post. It's information for you to put to use. Many of those in here are aware of how I post. And now you are. That's so meta. Cue a tail wag from amber. And holy balls jackal you are in this game? I thought you quit TL mafia... I like desk though, we need another straight forward and direct person in these forums. WINK WINK. I'm taking my vote off varp, I'd rather keep him around. Don't see any need to pressure palmer, he's obviously showing initiative with his posting. tnkted is a much better candidate I do believe so yes quite. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote: tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? Oh now your just pulling my leg, are you actually chaoser? Are people secretly smurfing or something? tnkted, one thing I've learned, people who call me town do not usually have a good track record of being town. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:46 tnkted wrote: How about the fact that he isn't playing? *yawn* LOL you've been hanging out with ace too much. I demand a mason! | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:54 Jackal58 wrote: I got over myself Bum. When I left my dad was dying and I was in a perpetual bad mood. I missed you guys. I saw this game and had to give it a go. Had I known a lawyer was going to write my role I may have passed.  I have no issue with desk either. I just want to make sure he/she doesn't start confusing my short posts for posts with a lack of substance. And while we're at it. Hey Barundar. It's summer league now. I bowl on Wednesdays. So Bum what do you think about chaos13 and his desire to send Amber to the pound? Ah hope everything goes well for you in life, glad to have you back. Edgar Allen Poe wrote your role too? Glad to hear I'm not alone. Amber has some use. Obviously the creator gave some good half to that role, since amber is going to be stuck like that the whole game. He's going to lure a shot once we figure out what it is, but like the smart people have been saying, just leave it alone. I would need to read back to where chaos13 stated his move, because I don't really remember reading it. Seems more like a fleeting suggestion looking at it now. He obviously isn't considering amber's benefits. Harmless Oversight probably. | ||
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On May 31 2011 15:50 DropBear wrote: KITAMAN27 He has been stomping on anyone who tries to get discussion going, starting with BC. What is the point of this exactly? You never brought this up again. This is just spreading doubt for the sake of it. Why? Posting lists gives a discussion point. It is much much more valuable than talking about Amber's caninity. Don't you want information to be out there? It's got everyone talking about alignments instead of roles. Do you have a problem with BC or something? The list is a starting point before scumhunting. It's much better than your starting point of a random vote. So... you're voting without a reason. And no shit Mafia has extra information. Thank you Captain Obvious. Kita has done nothing to help town. He is actively avoiding discussion and is jumping on someone who was active at the start of the game. He is Mafia and should be lynched. I don't really find much wrong with kita's play so far, he just has to go into more detail about his reasons. BC posted a list, and if you want to add someone to it or take someone off, make one post explaining why. Everyone doesn't need a list, I would stand by that. Those were the very reasons I voted varpulis, I see nothing wrong with that day 1. He may be trying to direct the discussion elsewhere, which is beneficial for him if he's mafia, but it isn't anti-town. He's town, and I don't like how quickly his wagon seems to be building. | ||
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On May 31 2011 21:21 Mataza wrote: Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game. First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now. Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun. And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand. But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then. And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear. Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. Also I want to note, just because someone doesn't have a lot of votes on them at the time, doesn't mean it isn't a wagon. It's a kinda noobie mafia play to agree with how someone is acting scummy, and not make any move in the voting thread. Most notably: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I come back from work to see a derailed thread talking about pretty well nothing. I am so glad to see town is so easily led astray by nonsense. To much time has been taken up by this nonsense about ambers role. If he is a dt style dog, he will merely sniff and growl at someone tomorrow if they are red, or sniff and wiggle his tail if they are town. If he is a med dog he can hop around them and bark if he made a save and hop around and whimper if he didnt. If he is a vig style dog, he bites the dead body in thread and barks. If he is another role he can figure out an appropriate action to do but there, ambers role dealt with. He can easily communicate agreement or discontent or the like easily enough in thread. As for people posting base lists without any reasoning to them, Hi for fake activity. Anyone on the zodiac list should be there for a reason. Also no one is also mentioning a medic list with reasons behind it. huge FoS on that. FoS on kita for FoSing people and trying to shut down talking without contributing seriously then begins to derail thread talking about mason role (which we don't know if exists in a good/serious way as the claimed one atm seems to suck). He also begins discussing the information mafia has on roles. Seriously shitty behaviour. Once i am better caught up I shall post more comprehensive thoughts. On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: I have been sleeping over this and it´s bugging me. So here´s the thing: There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious). We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night. A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?". Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness. So my take is that there is a huge area we don´t know shit about. I could think of several options, but the point is, this is not helpful. I just mean to say we shouldn´t be surprised to either 1) see people killing without actually having a killing role. 2) see that mafia team has a strong density of killing roles. 3) find out that we have a rather high number of neutrals(like upwards of 4) Now this info alone is useless. However it would become more useful if we had an idea about the number of existing killing roles. Come the next day I would suggest claiming whether or not one assigned a misinformation or killing role. Because killing and misinformation are the antitown traits we should get a grip on them. In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. None of them scream red to me after rereading. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. Meapak was maybe a bad call by me to check in the first place. Without any meta knowledge I´d say he looks 100% ok. Then again, people often use past games to judge veterans and I didn´t. Kitaman27 on the other hand is experienced and looks quite erratic. Rather short and unhelpful, while also very quick to vote. Unless some vets tell me that is normal, this is going down as scummy in my book. His only longer post is about Mason roles in general. Everything else is short and choppy. Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. Gee, three people thinking someone is scum with no votes in the thread. I can't really say much about BC, he's just giving an FoS, and probably has other people in mind. Hard to say, but it's funny that after he says that, mataza and prplhz take advantage of that. And it doesn't matter what kita's alignment is when analyzing you, since you never put your vote on him! 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On May 31 2011 21:37 stefftastiq wrote: I want to ask the town about voting early - its more than 24 hours until the voting ends - and a fair amount of people have already voted - since I've only got experience from one game earlier but there a lot of the players voted early - and then proceeded by changing their votes two or three times before the voting ends - I see the point of putting pressure on players to be active and / or make them cry for help. But if the players voting early are all town - wouldnt the scum then see the voting patterns and could easely lynch the players they want AND even spread out their votes so they wont be too suspicious? I see how this post might not have anything to do with whos scum and whos not - but I really want to hear a few opinions about pros/cons about voting early - because I can see how it really can call upon bandwagons and then the first players who "started the bandwagon" easly could change their votes to do someone else - ye, paranoiatalk  A fair question. Pressuring day 1 is pretty important, it forces discussion, which is always good for town, never good for mafia. Now as you say that mafia look at voting patterns, that is true and they will abuse it by distributing votes, but as they recognize voting patterns, so can we. End day voting is a tricky business, and can really help in giving us something to work with. As a rule of thumb, it's generally frowned upon to switch your votes at the end of the day as town. It gives unnecessary suspicion, if that person did not have a really good reason for doing so. @kurumi whatever you say boy wonder, but kita isn't the scummiest person. That would be mr slink-away tnkted | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote: Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread? Does no one else find that strange? I told you there are smurfs afoot! I can smell them from a galaxy away | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:39 Rean wrote: Voting Torte de Lini aswell. He's yet to contribute despite being asked to several times, let's put some more pressure on him. *clicks all* ctrl+F Rean 11 found You people and your contributions. | ||
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And tnkted is too interesting to lynch now, Guess I'll have to scumhunt somemore. C'est la vie. | ||
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And Kurumi, you were the admiral akbar in PYPI, yes? Am I going to get blown up tomorrow? That would be useful information. I'll consider your list, but I've already stated my opinions on kita, and I've mostly just read red's claim, but I'll read into him some more if it will settle your stomach. | ||
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On June 01 2011 00:49 Kurumi wrote: I were Akbar in PYPI. Just because I was him there does not certainly mean I am there too,or does it... Yeah you are so pro-town! Medics protect him! (dont blow us up please :X) | ||
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On June 01 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: You all know that You can make everyone say You want them. ... If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum. For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content. Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon. Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you? | ||
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