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On April 05 2011 06:37 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 21:42 deconduo wrote:On April 04 2011 20:52 CubEdIn wrote:
If I were to guess I'd put deconduo on a fake claim. It's easy to be a vet when you're bulletproof AM I RITE?
But that means that:
1. Pandain has to DIE in arena game.
2. Wiggles is scum (but he doesn't show it, I just went over his posts, other than the fact that he's been kinda-ignoring Kav's scumminess) Obviously you also didn't read my role claim.... Regardless, kav still needs to die. That roleclaim is far too convenient. I also feel there would be something in it about being rolechecked, as that would affect his BPness. On top of that, Pandain needs to die. Everyone has forgotten that he replaced RoL and he's just lurked since he stepped in. As insanious is pretty much confirmed, it makes sense for Beneatherbot (if he's town) to vote for Pandain right? Haha broski, bit hasty there? I've been gone for Youth in Government for the weekend, and sure as hell ain't gonna analyze anyone when everyone has like 50000000000 posts. Plus so much latin I have to do
Why did you replace if you aren't willing to do any work to help us catch scum? You wouldn't. So why aren't you helping? Because you are scum. However...
Guys, what do we think about Beneather? It's possible that he's black. The first thing that his clues reminded me of was a BPV, but that might have been because i was wearing one, and so it was in my mind. There are a few things that don't quite work out, like a BPV being comfortable, but I'd be interested in hearing what your thoughts are on the matter.
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On March 24 2011 13:51 OriginalName wrote:
What do Blacks come backs to DT checks?
LOL. This was OriginalName's first post after alignment roles went out.
On another note, to those who said I wasn't posting enough to get myself hit (which is what BP person should do): Why do you think I ran for mayor? I asked before the game started if Blues would be allowed to PM eachother, and if there was any chance of traitors among them. Based off that information, it was obvious that only a blue would get elected. I ran because I knew that i would lose while drawing attention to myself. I then started posting analysis and extremely helpful plans for town. Guess what. Scum hit me.
If I were black, why would I run for mayor, and attract all that attention to myself. I was practically begging to be hit by scum with my pro-town posting. That's the LAST thing a black would want to do! They want to avoid being lynched of course, but they also have to make sure that they aren't going to be hit by mafia, so that the mafia don't figure them out.
Think about it. All my play early on was very pro-town, and even though my analysis was wrong, I knew it didn't matter, because scum would know that I was serious about analysing. Think of the discussion at the end of last game, and the discussion at the beginning of this one. Everyone was saying "Kill the analysts early. Don't wait till they peg your whole team." Why the hell would I play that way if i was black? It doesn't make sense.
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EBWODP: That's the start of my analysis of Original Name, I'm working on the rest of it now, hopefully I'll have it done before I have to leave the internet access at school.
Please people, think about my play, look at the votes. It's unanimously me right now. Does that NOT raise an alarm?
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On March 24 2011 13:51 OriginalName wrote:
What do Blacks come backs to DT checks?
LOL. This is his first post after alignments are sent out. Now this wouldn’t stand out to me as being a giant scum slip if he was asking questions about lots of things, and different factions, but he’s not. In fact, having gone through all his posts, Every single question he has asked in the game DIRECTLY relates to blacks. If that’s not a scum slip, I don’t know what is.
On March 25 2011 10:25 OriginalName wrote:My opinion of town at the moment -_- ![[image loading]](http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/24/d7e3b6c2-285b-42a2-b6e1-d02c403bf1ce.jpg)
He refers to the town from a third person’s point of view. This one post in itself doesn’t scream scum at me, but throughout the game he frequently writes about the town as if he is not a part of it.
On April 01 2011 05:30 OriginalName wrote:
1. Pandain
2. Jackal58
3. OriginalName
4. Kenpachi
5. deconduo
6. Kavdragon
8. bumatlarge
10. Coagulation
11. orgolove
13. Meapak_Ziphh
15.kevconsim
16. Mr. Wiggles
17. CubEdIn
18. GGQ
19. ilovejonn
20. Amber[LighT]
21. BrownBear
22. Lemonwalrus
24. tnkted
26. Lanaia
28. Beneather
29. Insanious
30. Eiii
Red is Scum in general
black is no real read
Green/blue is town
On top of the point above, he rarely specifies between the two types of scum. He almost never says “You are Mafia” and he’s Never said “You are black”. This distinction would be hard to publish for scum because it reqires lieing about what they believe. I would say that this indecision points to him being scum in general (lol, ironic), but the rest of his posting points to black.
On March 26 2011 13:28 OriginalName wrote:
Alright guys first off:
Why are we scumhunting using role PMs? Sure a scum could conceivably slip when referencijg such a thing but using the to "confirm" yourself is stupid and honestly who knows if all the PMs were written the same, it just seems irrelevant.
My second point is on the word "confirmed":
The next person to used aforementioned word to describe another player especially if they are town should be lynched (and i realize ive used it too but when i think about i was being an idiot) nobody and I repeat NOBODY is "confirmed" until they're experiencing a bullet through the head or a short drop and a sudden stop.
Do you know what happens when people are "confirmed" and they turn out to be GFs or Framed townies? We get ourselves into worse and worse situations.
This post (and many that followed if you remember) argued heavily against the idea of a confirmed townie. He comments several times on how there’s no such thing. This marks him as scum in general because there is nothing more scary to scum, than a confirmed townie, much less multipul confirmed townies.
On March 30 2011 12:36 OriginalName wrote:On the contrary if we take this logic Show nested quote +Mafia play with confidence when trying to get someone lynched. Town wavers. Even Foolishness or Bum wavers. Mafia will usually never waver. Did Coag ever waver? fuck no he didnt! While im not saying this is enough to indite him of being scum it certainly is a possiblity. If we want to play it risky we keep coag alive via med stacking or something if we want to play safe we kill them all and leave the item game for dust.Bus Driver fail is my last addition.
LOL. The only party who is out of the IG at this point in the game I Black. They are the only ones who want the item game to die, and no one to get items. Ridiculously obvious? Check.
On April 03 2011 11:48 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 11:46 orgolove wrote:
Whatever. We got the godfather, and now we just have to worry about their "3" RPGs. What are the benefits of winning the item game? Anybody know? Since bum knew, there had to be some blues that were in there other than bum. Do you know who are the blacks, have any analysis to help us? What the fuck are you smoking? Bum nor any of the other blues were in the item game. On top of that the blacks are fingering you as scum? Why should we listen to anything you have to say when your basically mod confirmed.
LOL. The list that the blacks gave us in the BM was never, and still isn't "Mod-Confirmed" the only way that it could be mod-confirmed is if a mod told you, and the only people who were told the red names by a mod were the blacks. Why you so trusting in the blacks OriginalName? More obvious? Check.
Do I need to say more?
OriginalName is the clearest lynch we have people, don’t let the scum bandwagon me to death. Remember what happened last time we lynched someone who had this majority of votes on them? (Well. Ok, who also didn’t flat out admit to being scum)
##Lynch: OriginalName
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On April 05 2011 08:18 Eiii wrote:
you know blacks are bulletproof, right?
Yes, what about it?
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On April 05 2011 08:25 CubEdIn wrote:
Come on guys, how convenient is that? The one guy who scum thinks is black and who survived a bomb is bulletproof. That's a big freaking coinkindink.
Let's just lynch him. We did coag's lynch when I was trying to switch it, now do mine. I earned it damn it, I had bum as a team mate!!!
Are you serious? You are pointing out the very lynch that we are about to repeat! "Those who do not learn from history are damned to repeat it."
I finally get to school where I have a connection and can start helping/leading, and I'm going to get lynched? I am the lazy lynch right now. If you guys put any analysis into it, it would be obvious. But no, I had the misfortune of being gone for a whole day, during which the scum piled on me. And now the you guys are too lazy to look at the facts and stop my lynch?
I'll say it now. We are going to lose because no one else is willing to put in real time and effort into analyzing people's play.
Look at my analysis of OriginalName. How is that not a better lynch target?
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On April 05 2011 08:44 CubEdIn wrote:
Dude, every red is a better lynch target, if things were normal. We have 2 confirmed and we know 100% that ON is scum. So make that three.
But we don't want to aim for reds. We want to aim for blacks. His analysis doesn't confirm his black as much as it confirms his scumminess. You survived a bomb and a bullet, that's extra scummy in my eyes. Plus, you've only started to defend yourself when people started questioning it. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. It may be an unfortunate set of happenings that lead to this point, and I swear I'll push ON as the next lynch, but right now, I don't believe you're bulletproof. How many freaking bulletproofs are there? 4 black, + vest in IG, + you, + deconduo's "vet". Can nobody die in this game by a single fucking KP?
No. You're not changing my mind. And if you're town. I'm sorry, I really am, but now is the worst time to start being active.
Good God, CubEdIn: Did you read my analysis?
He only asks about blacks. He calls the black's list of red's "Mod Confirmed." He's black, that's what my analysis says. I'm not going to lie and say that things that are not black slips are not black slips. I'm a townie. I don't do that. But there are so many other indications that he is black, that it's obvious!
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You are basing all of you decision off of events. Not analysis. Do I need to pull up 60 quotes from Ver, Foolishness, Ace, Bl00dyC0bler and other vets to prove that analysis trumps "possible" or "probable" events?
Do you remember what it was that nailed your scum team in XXXVI? It was analysis. If I had relied on events, Bum would have gotten away with his claim, and the town would have lost.
You've already proven that you will not do analysis, and no one else looks to be stepping up to the plate. Once I'm gone, what are you going to do?
Look at OriginalName. He's been useless this entire game. I've been helpful as much as i can given pretty damn trying situations. Is it really worth the risk? Who would to rather lose if you made a mistake?
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Look: If you are set on me needing to die, just kill me with ilovejohn's bomb. That way we get a scum off this lynch, instead of nothing. I'm not going to sit around while you ruin the town's chances for survival. If you won't submit, and are set on me dieing, then fine. Kill me. But don't waste the whole lynch!
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If LSB hadn't confirmed that there are no traitors....I swear, CubEdIn would be on the top of my list.
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"You gave us CLEAR signs of black:"
- way less chatty than normal
Did I mention that I have to walk to a library to post anything?
- described as "pro-town, but with an alternate win condition" by bum
Did Bum ever do any analysis? No. He was basing that off of my low activity, (explained above), and the fact that the mafia suspected me.
- survived shot + bomb
Yes, because I'm bullet proof.
- claimed bulletproof, which is the only possible way you're not black, big freaking coincidence
Not a coincidence. Look:
I got the attention of the town, in order to draw a hit on me.
I got hit, but didn't die. This aroused mafia's + Bum's suspicion that I'm Black.
Mafia say that they think I'm black to town. Kenpachi bombs me off of this.
People say I'm black because I survived.
See? You have it backwards. The reason why I've attracted all this attention, the bombs and the mafia shots, was because I was BP from the beginning. The fact that i'm BP is what caused all the events to happen. I didn't claim BP because they all happened.
Even now, when I ask you to lynch ilovejohn, something that would kill me AND a scum, you won'e accept it. I'm sad, CubEdIn. You had great plans and good advice, but you can't see this.
LSB, I told you this role was broken. To be fair, it wasn't for the reasons I had thought, but still. It's broken.
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On April 05 2011 09:08 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 08:56 Kavdragon wrote:
Look: If you are set on me needing to die, just kill me with ilovejohn's bomb. That way we get a scum off this lynch, instead of nothing. I'm not going to sit around while you ruin the town's chances for survival. If you won't submit, and are set on me dieing, then fine. Kill me. But don't waste the whole lynch! Lol. I'd rather lose a town, then 2 towns and a red. Don't worry, the reds will die in numbers tonight, due to hatters, blacks, and vigi. Why trade a townie for a red now, when blacks will have to waste a KP or RB on him during the night? And said red will die as a result anyway.
No, if ilovejohn dies tonight, you can bet that he'll be roleblocked. You wonder why there's no one other than jackal sticking up for me? Cause you're doing exactly what the scum want.
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On April 05 2011 09:24 deconduo wrote:
It would be nice if you guys made up your minds on who to lynch. If theres any ambiguity the blacks will rape us with vote manips
Oh lol. You are so scummy Decon: If blacks have vote manipulation powers, they'd have won already. They won the black market, and we KNOW that there was at least 20mill in there, for them to have bought out the BM. Votes cost .5 mill, which means that they would be able to out vote the entire town for something like 4 days.
In addition, if the vote is not close, then the list cannot be analysed. CubEdIn of all people should know this. He was the first to point out that a completely one sided vote leaves no clues as to who wanted what.
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On April 05 2011 09:25 CubEdIn wrote:
I've gone out of my way to explain why trading town (jonn) for scum is a stupid idea several times.
LET SCUMS DEAL WITH IT.
1. They have to waste KP on him and/or Role-Block.
2. This is nothing but beneficial to town.
3. Reds are gonna die anyway.
In my eyes, only a black would want us to lynch a townie, so they can use their KPs on other targets. I mean, fuck, if I was black there'd be nothing better than two of my enemies to go down in one lynch in this scenario, am I right?!
The fact that you're advocating this, alone, makes you 100% black in my eyes.
Please tell me the BENEFIT of trading jonn for scum tonight. Please do!
And again, you don't really have to convince me, convince anyone else.
I'll believe you're town when you flip. I promise.
Point conceded. If you are 100% sure that I'm black, than yes. You are correct. However, if you have any doubt that I'm black (there should be, cause I'm not) the safer path is to lynch ilovejohn. I just wish the rest of the town saw this/didn't owe you favors.
Oh, and look: You're own plan to check role PM's?
On April 01 2011 18:51 Kavdragon wrote:
Your the you that.
used your redacted.
5,10,15,20,
25,30,35 respectively.
Original Message From kitaman27:
You are the Bulletproof-Bob. Your rough riding experiences during the war have sadly left you so terrified and suspicious that you have borrowed a used bulletproof jacket from your Vietnam buddy. Unfortunately, he was were shot with a cannon in the war, so there is a rather large hole in your vest. If you tell anyone about your vest, they know about the hole, and can shoot you through it.
If I had this roleclaim set up earlier, why wouldn't I have claimed it?
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If you are not CubEdIn, read over my arguments on the last few pages.
Every post that I have made has been trying to put me in as much of a pro-town light as possible. My actions are those of a townie who has been trying to draw hits. Not a black, who should be trying to avoid being shot.
OriginalName is a MUCH better lynch. Read my analysis of him. It is CLEAR that he is BLACK. Not just that he is scum.
Which of us two would you rather lynch? The guy who was unanimously dog-piled with votes, who has played a helpful role in the town, or the guy who is lurking, not helping, and otherwise being really unhelpful. The choice is obvious.
If you are that concerned with killing me, or if you still think that there is a chance that im black, put me into the ring, and have me lynched. Insanious is town, and beneather will follow your vote. Killing a black right now won't lower thier KP, so putting me in the ring if I'm black doesn't hurt the town at all.
Who else would you put in? OriginalName? Would you deley the lurker's exicution in order to kill the active person faster? No! Lynch Original name, put me in the arena!
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I'll be the first to admit that it looks fishy, but I've come sick pretty bad, so school(and internet) are a no go for me tomorrow. I'll try to post what I can, sorry guys.
On April 05 2011 11:54 Coagulation wrote:
kav might be black.. but he might be town also..
someone should dt him
This would be helpful as I may or may not be around to defend myself. If scum think that I'm going to get a few more analyses off, I might get offed by them. Who knows.
@Lanaia: Why you do you hate me? It wasn't a breadcrumb. There was NOTHING that could have told someone that I was BP. Otherwise claiming that I'm a townie could be considered breadcrumbing.
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Hey all, Back to mostly good health. Reading up now, but having skipped ahead to read the day post...
Anybody get roleblocked last night?
+ Show Spoiler +Come on, you know you want to claim.
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On April 06 2011 11:18 LSB wrote:
Oh yeah I should add to the night post
Someone was about to go outside to kill someone but he was wrapped in duct tape. Another person drove around a bus, but it didn't matter. And there was a loud explosion in the distance
The person who was RB'd was going to use a KP.
The people who had KP were Coag (accounted for) Reds (Unaccounted for) and Blacks (RPG's Accounted for)
Since reds were the ones who had the RB'r, and they wouldn't RB themselves, there must be someone else with KP.
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I'm confused about something, Decon:
Original Message From kitaman27:
You are the Veteran! You have one extra night life! By one extra night life I mean if you die you get ressed as a zombie
Where does it say that you kill the person who kills you?
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Also, what does it mean to get "ressed"? Unless you weren't so careful with your PM editing... Did you mean to say "Dressed"?
Funny how that letter got cut out of the middle of the sentence.
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