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Okay.. this is bugging the hell out of me..
Who knew of both medics the entire time? L and Shikyo....
They---the medics---died double fast and shouldn't have.. they're---L and Shikyo---far better suspects than Amber.
Yes, I screwed up our "3rd-party" Shikyo verification, but you try not being emotional when you realize you've "lost" someone you love... kthx
Now I think it's easier to lynch Shikyo now, I check L at night and post that (as they will kill me since we have no medics, so it's my last check).. if Shikyo comes back as red after the lynch, then we know L is GF so I won't check him, if Shikyo has that 20% chance to come back as DT, than we will know L is the GF. Nothing else makes sense to me.
Something I'd like to point out... Shikyo hasn't responded to claims recently and has been steadily talking less.. and L isn't defending himself either. On of them is the GF, and one or both are red.
So this is basically the last day for me, hope town can be more affirmative, but until I see otherwise, I'm going with what I think.
Keep in mind, I've thought Shikyo was red/GF from day 1... just sayin'
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For purposes of Tradition...
1. Dreamflower (Hatter 1/1)
2. Foolishness
3. Ace (DT 1/2)
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend (Medic 1/2)
6. Bloodyc0bbler (BG 1/2) <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm Crooked
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light] (BG 2/2) <-- Publicly known as BG now
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- Sorry excuse for a mayer
10. L <-- Claimed as Vet (I call bs)
11. Tricode <-- Was checked during a quick fit of rage
12. Vivi57 <-- Came back Green
13. Infundibulum (Medic 2/2)
14. Sugiuramidori (DT 2/2) <-- So going to die now, I hope Qatol gets to kill me, he knows what I wanted for my death
15. Scamp <-- Dead because of Pyrr being scared to use his 2x power, could be suspicious.
16. Shikyo <-- Came back DT
17. Caller
18. Motbob
19. Redtooth <-- Came back Green
20. Heavonearth
21. Chezinu
Bold == a RC was involved.
EDIT=Added strikeout to RoL
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On November 05 2009 17:07 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 16:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Eh I think the GF is Shikyo, you, or otherwise Amber. RoL did claim to me at some point but that was after the pseudo claim. I'm pretty sure if amber is mafia, he's just a red Otherwise, that basically forces motbob to be the last red. I'm still not sure why people thought shikyo > L for the gf. Also, can someone tell me what shikyo's checks were and when he confirmed his sanity?
Same thing I told Tricode::::
L was "checked" by Shikyo to be Vet a long time ago, and he's been basically going with that for a while. He was sort or the "circles" center-man. Knew about Amber a while ago as well.
Shikyo "missed" the night 2 check he could have made if DT. Has checked BC and L that I know of, dunno anyone else more recent. RoL roleclaimed to him, could have been passing that on to L, who knew about InFuN.
As I stated, both knew about both medics (even before I did since I only learned of Infun after he died).
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So here's my final death-throws plan of action for the town..
We vote L off the island, give him his canoe, no paddle, and send him down river Styx, etc.
That leaves us with two people left to DT check: I check Amber, Shikyo checks motbob. We check them and tell only Tricode (I'm making him the new center, deal with it.)
I am going to make a nice long PM to Tricode on how to evaluate the responses he will get (3 possibilities leading to easy circumstances).
I will of course die at the hands of mafia unless they are overly generous or something xD
Tricode will then give the town both the responses he got from Shikyo and I, which will enable the town to see if Shikyo is full of it or not, and if Amber is a legit BG or an inserted red. He will also either post all the logic I gave him, or just the part that was shown to evaluate true.
However... this plan assumes a few things which I think are safe to say everyone realizes by now... But either way, here's all the main possibilities for towns benifit (please add to it if I miss any):
1) Shikyo is a legit DT making L the GF, and Amber a sub-in or motbob the last red.
2) L has blue blood, Shikyo is likely GF and his DT check will be made up.
3) L has blue blood, Shikyo is legit DT, one of the people I checked as green is GF (Tricode, Redtooth, or Vivi57) and Pyrr is also then red if Amber is not.
4) L is blue, Shikyo is DT, Amber/motbob is red, then Pyrr has been playing us all game and is another GF Mayer
My guesses on probabilities of likelihood of each:
1) 50%
2) 30%
3) 15%
4) 5%
#1-3 will be confirmed via Tricode from Shikyo and I giving him DT checks.
#1-4 will be verified by the hanging of L
EDIT1:: If L isn't GF, and Tricode and Shikyo don't go along with this.. both are highly suspect of being the GF themselves.
EDIT2: If Tricode doesn't match the format of the pm (when pasting) to what I shall pass Vivi and Redtooth, then he's GF.
EDIT3: If Amber turns up Blue, I will give him the format as well. This allows him to take lead, and seeing if Tricode is responsible or not can help find the GF.
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What I want from the rest of town... what's something we/I can do to help you know if the GF is Vivi, Redtooth, or Pyrr assuming all else goes well (Tricode and Shikyo are legit, L isn't GF)?
As that's what you'll likely be hunting for after Shikyo and I finish our checks.
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On November 05 2009 21:47 Amber[LighT] wrote:I thought you were going to check me last night  I will wait yet another day I guess....
With your intense eagerness to be checked it just seemed unlikely you'd be mafia, so why waste the check? But since there's only two ppl left to check, so it shall be.
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LOL compare how I played as mafia to how I play now you silly muffin..
And to be honored to be GF? That'd be pretty awesome.. but I don't think anyone would give me that.
You keep thinking my rage wasn't legit, maybe you should get your time machine out and come visit me and see my face and how angry I was at the bullshit that appeared letting Pyrr not have to use the x2 power and getting Scamp x'd instead of Shikyo. Which, IMO, is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I have ever seen since playing mafia... blatantly changing how the game has been understood because you're screwing up on counting votes in the first place? (Which by the way... Qatol said changed nothing of past votes so it wasn't something that needed a fix.)
AND apparently, since you don't believe I was raging, do I need to be a pathetic excuse for a human being like you or Ace and have a curse word every 6 words? I'm sorry that I actually have a bit more tact than that, so take your stupid testosterone and shove it up your pathetic butt...
ALSO Pyrr not going on with the x2 votes and being the swing vote for Shikyo/Scamp is more than enough suspicion on Pyrr to kill him too.. but while we're at it, why not kill everyone but myself and Tricode and be done with it.. I don't even know Tricode that well, but it seems stupid he'd be GF at this point. So to me that leaves only the two of us as innocent.
ALSO .. you keep whining and whining about it.. and perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but it's Qatol that keeps coming out telling me about my flawed logic, so go whine at him for pointing out I'm being a retard about things such as when I was gung-ho about Vivi and Redtooth being red.. as he's the one that suggested that "why lynch Shikyo on the off chance that he's a legit DT and the town loses their last information checker." Sounded plenty fine to me. And considering, despite being a co-mod to the game, he's prolly a better player than you, and definitely better at logic than I, I always rethought things and changed up a ton, hence why I made that plan this morning after having change the vote to you.. I got the wild idea that making that plan was the only hope for town to win, because I'd already rather given up on the game after the rule bullshit that's been going on... figured I'd try to contribute at least one last thing before mafia gets rid of me.
In fact, I'm still rather convinced that the mafia will win, and not the town, and they know it too, hence no gg. At least when I check Amber and Shikyo checks motbob.. town gets a definite answer on who is the red.. and then you can go hunt for GF.. unless Shikyo is full of shit.. hence my plan laid out.. and big friggin deal if you die, get over it, you haven't helped the town any anyhow, you're far more likely a mafia than I ever was.
This game really did end when Ace lost control of his vocabulary and the lot of us that got annoyed and had to get the mods to step in, as I was about ready to just stop playing and let a modkill happen so I wouldn't have to deal with it in the future, that's how utterly disgusting it was.
But I digress, I'm going to go have a nice weekend at a friends house. I'll be on the train to LA in 3 hours.. that train-ride is 18 hours.. and then I get to my friends and have internet again.. I really hope that the mods understand 100% that I want to check Amber regardless of who goes to river Styx today. Then I will go through with my plan before the night ends, well just before the post is made so as to be legit and not give anyone any chance to tell Shikyo what he should role in case he's GF. Then the night post will happen with me dead, and I even know a great way to do it:: Me in the library reading the rule books and getting staked from behind. Then I can occasionally refresh the thread and watch the town lose if they don't care for my plan, or I slipped up in one small spot (which of course no one has made any attempts to point out).
I have a math test I need to work on, 4 Anthropology assignments and a survey-report to do, two LaTeX assignments, and 10 Math HW's to do in the 5 weeks left of school. So I have no problems dieing this late in the game now that I'm most assuredly overwhelmed.
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And no, I was begging Cobbler NOT to suicide... but he wouldn't listen :/
I never bungled my list, if you bother to read my posts you'll see that I said I was changing all ppl from blue to green. I went fully with trying to convince town that RoL was just a confirmed green.. but so much for that I guess :/
You still choose to ignore that I got the PM saying that I was med-protected one night, at which RoL told me it was him. Mafia hitting me was because I was a public DT.
Has mafia bothered to hit Shikyo since we all admitted he was one behind the scenes? NOPE.. <-- This is enough for me to want to lynch Shikyo still, but with Qatol calling me the fool, I am doubting myself.. whether it's a hint or a test, I don't know. I'm overall just tired of the game, and am going to need to take a long break before playing again. Maybe once rules are 100% clear.
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Heh, so after a rather uneventful train-ride I return..
When I said we'd all roleclaimed to each other, I was merely making assumptions based on the fact that I felt I screwed up.
Chez gave me some weird post about being a hatter and wanting to live to bomb L and Ace or something for his Brown league of oddballs... so I just sorta went with it for the time. Take note, that the first two days I had Chez as red, it was because of Shikyo that I decided he was probably blue (Shikyo told me he'd helped Chez write that PM).
As for what I told Shikyo that I figured he'd pick up on::
"After me accusing you of being mafia so long I figured you'd know I wasn't mafia this time 'round. I was about to be and then Qatol changed me to challenge me with something else. Thus I will be trying to take into account everyone's input this time, kind of important that I do, can't pretend I'm useless anymore :/"
And the post regarding Chez:
<<SugiuraMidori>>
"Yeh, the weird bomb pm? I figured that was reasonably legit roleclaim, but I don't know the guy. But yeh, I don't have much of a feeling for him being red. Just seems he would be dorky enough to be the other Hatter (I think there are two because the mods find it as an amusing role.
I'd guess there were 2-3DT, 2MH, Medic, Vig, Vet, the 4M, and the rest green?
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<<Shikyo>>
Original Message:
The thing is, Chezinu always acts brown, and he PMed with something that makes me think that he's not mafia because I don't think he'd go through that kind of trouble if he was mafia with his playing style.
Also, he PMed both vivi and Scamp because I asked him to. Why would he do that and do as I asked if he was mafia? Indeed, no reason.
I definitely trust Chezinu more than I should but I don't think he's acting like Mafia. You can say me and Chezinu are working together but really, including Pyrr is just wrong. More stuff coming tomorrow after my doctor's appointment but please don't be too hasty."
How does that not smell like mafia behavior? Especially looks like him being a GF and protective towards Chez there... and yes, if it wasn't for Qatol, I would be more inclined to agree that Shikyo was GF and I was right from the start.. just like I was with Chez... so maybe what I should do next time, is evaluate behaviors and ignore the towns shenanigans and ignorance and not change my idea's.
However, according to my plan, it doesn't matter if we kill L, and it in fact gives us more information.. with him showing red or GF !yay!.. if he shows blue, then we know Shikyo is probably legit, so we can go after Amber (if he turns red when I check him) motbob, and Pyrr.
If Amber comes back blue, we got another confirmed person, and it would leave motbob or Pyrr as red (since I haven't checked motbob yet, and Pyrr is hidden from checks....) and sadly, anyone as GF.
So basically, if Amber doesn't turn out red, and nor does L after lynch.. then we got two suspects: pyrr and motbob for the basic red, and anyone else can be GF.
Did want to ask, but I think you covered it, GF can ask to show up as BG?
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LOL L, I can't tell if you're incompetent or ignorant or just plain stupid...
but good try to force your role onto me, go die already you wining sycophant.
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On November 07 2009 03:43 SugiuraMidori wrote:
LOL L, .....
but good try to force your role onto me, go die already.....
I told you.. now then.. why does the rest seem easy?
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We now know that all my checks are fine.. so the only people yet to be cleared are:
One of these is red:: Amber, motbob, and Pyrr..
Blue:: Shikyo and I are the last DT's
Green:: Vivi and Tricode
Shikyo-- check motbob, I'm checking Amber.. if neither of us return a red we can lynch Pyrr and be over and gg with it. Unless one of the three wants to gg it now?
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For purposes of Tradition (as always)...
1. Dreamflower (Hatter 1/1)
2. Foolishness
3. Ace (DT 1/3)
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend (Medic 1/2)
6. Bloodyc0bbler (BG 1/2) <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm Crooked
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light] (BG 2/2) <-- Publicly known as BG now
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- Sorry excuse for a mayer
10. L <-- Claimed as Vet (I call bs)
11. Tricode <-- Was checked during a quick fit of rage
12. Vivi57 <-- Came back Green
13. Infundibulum (Medic 2/2)
14. Sugiuramidori (DT 2/3) <-- So going to die now, I hope Qatol gets to kill me, he knows what I wanted for my death
15. Scamp <-- Dead because of Pyrr being scared to use his 2x power, could be suspicious.
16. Shikyo (DT 3/3) <-- Came back DT
17. Caller
18. Motbob
19. Redtooth <-- Came back Green
20. Heavonearth
21. Chezinu
Bold == a RC was involved.
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On November 08 2009 00:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
So we never figured out who the vigilante is? Or is there even one in this game?
There isn't one ;P
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For purposes of Tradition (as always)... !!!!HERE IS THE FINAL LIST!!!!
1. Dreamflower (Hatter 1/1)
2. Foolishness
3. Ace (DT 1/3)
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend (Medic 1/2)
6. Bloodyc0bbler (BG 1/2) <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm Crooked
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light] (BG 2/2) <-- BG
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- Sorry excuse for a mayer
10. L <-- Claimed as Vet (I call bs)
11. Tricode <-- Was checked during a quick fit of rage
12. Vivi57 <-- Came back Green
13. Infundibulum (Medic 2/2)
14. Sugiuramidori (DT 2/3) <-- So going to die now, I hope Qatol gets to kill me, he knows what I wanted for my death
15. Scamp <-- Dead because of Pyrr being scared to use his 2x power, could be suspicious.
16. Shikyo (DT 3/3) <-- Came back DT
17. Caller
18. Motbob <-- checked him with a lie in PM :D
19. Redtooth <-- Came back Green
20. Heavonearth
21. Chezinu
Bold == a RC was involved.
Pyrr is our last mafia, gg everyone, fat lady is singing.
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On November 08 2009 04:06 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2009 04:00 L wrote:
Well, this was a fun game.
The hit on midori was actually me trying to kill myself, because I thought she was a hatter who had bombs on me, and I wanted to go out in a flashy manner. Oh yeah, easily best PM of the game. From: L [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Self Bombing: Date: 10/31/09 10:08 I kill sugi, who is most likely medic protected and has a bomb on me. Possibly the ballsiest move ever. Expected chance of victory: 0.
Cute~
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Also, Qatol, VERY nice action post, yes I do love the colors, good job 
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Yeh, as soon as Tricode told me that Shikyo was MIA.. and then it was followed by motbob doing the same.. I realized motbob was 40% innocent.. so I made up a lie that I already checked him and he came back red, so he could just gg now..
Then he returned a VERY convincing answer about how if he was mafia he'd already have gg'd, as well as mentioning that my DT check claiming him red implied my sanity claim was wrong.. proof enough that he wasn't red...
I passed it on to Tricode, and was going to have him just pass on the Amber was blue check to town upon my death.. but then at the last moment I realized it no longer mattered.. I can say gg to Pyrr and not have to actually die :D
So yeh, despite my rage moment that one day, and going after L with a bit too much vehemency, this was a fun game overall. The moment with L was super intense, guess that's how he tries to defend himself when he's guilty? Interesting approach.
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On November 08 2009 05:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
oh and fun fact: Pyrr won his election without any mafia votes. I think that is a first.
He also uber lynched Chez...
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On November 08 2009 06:03 Qatol wrote:Ver and I were also very impressed by this post: Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 10:30 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Still sticking to this list with small modifications:
1. Dreamflower
2. Foolishness
3. Ace <-- He admitted this, but how true is it?
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend
6. Bloodyc0bbler
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light]
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- becoming suspiciously more red.. in Chez's terms, he's brown
10. L
11. Tricode
12. Vivi57 <-- We all know he's red now.
13. Infundibulum
14. Sugiuramidori <-- not red
15. Scamp
16. Shikyo <--10% red
17. Caller
18. Motbob <-- mostly based on what others have pointed out as a probability
19. Redtooth <-- not blue
20. Heavonearth <-- not red
21. Chezinu
Something that surely must be seen
we don't know if HeavonEarth is green
motbob is still alive!
mafia will thrive
we need the town to be more keen 3/4 mafia correct with the last one labeled as blue. Very impressive. Too bad you changed your mind on some of these reads.
Oh yeh..I'm well aware, and hence my recent post that I will be using my own feelings more instead of relying on the town from now on.. and PM's.. other people just seem to distract me from my own well-done analytical power.
I am very much in approval of a clue-less game.. the clues just distract me, and I have no idea how to manage them together... but behavioral (or grammatical as I call it) seems to be something I'm good at (though I can't do it for shit in person.....)
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