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Why RoL?
I know the town has been suspect over Scamp for some time, but I don't see how RoL is a better choice over say.. Pyrr or Shikyo that folks have been mentioning for some time now.
I also only mention Infun has he was suspicious about the "what about the other posts" mention after L showed off his PM's, which to me sounds a lot like he knew there was more because he was the other person and perhaps something important was said.
Also, HoE no longer has any reason to not be making posts here unless he's red or green.
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On November 01 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight?
1)) I am Crooked Sanity, already took care of that.
2)) Checked Shikyo the moment night post was there, he came back as blue (not going to say the type), so still a chance at GF.
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On November 01 2009 18:29 motbob wrote:
One thing to note: the Chez vote doesn't absolve either Pyrr or RoL (or me for that matter) completely. They might have just been sacing Chez, although that's sort of unlikely.
And ya, RoL isn't the best candidate for lynch. Y'all are right. I'll probably just vote for Scamp at first when day breaks.
Don't forget we still get two votes.
So we can also add one of these: Vivi, Pyrr, L, etc as you guys choose.. (though I think we need to make a choice sooner rather than later so we can speed the game along a bit.
My fun time is really only at night ;P
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On November 02 2009 03:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 18:57 SugiuraMidori wrote:On November 01 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight? 1)) I am Crooked Sanity, already took care of that. 2)) Checked Shikyo the moment night post was there, he came back as blue (not going to say the type), so still a chance at GF. oh, i'm sorry. when i read this after the lynch Show nested quote +6. Bloodyc0bbler <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm either Crooked or Insane i thought you meant that you still didn't know your sanity after he died. apologies
I didn't actually, I was holding out... but then I did the calculations of a GF wanting to show up as a red... and the odds were stupid low xD So I decided to claim crooked and get all the right roles, etc.
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1. Dreamflower
2. Foolishness
3. Ace
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. RebirthofLegend
6. Bloodyc0bbler <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm Crooked
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light]
9. Pyrrhuloxia
10. L <-- Claimed as Vet
11. Tricode
12. Vivi57 <-- Same as Redtooth
13. Infundibulum <-- I'm pretty damn sure he's blue if L is blue (lul i was right)
14. Sugiuramidori
15. Scamp
16. Shikyo <-- He is only red if he's the GF (like I've suspected all along......)
17. Caller
18. Motbob
19. Redtooth <-- Same as Vivi57
20. Heavonearth
21. Chezinu
Bold == a RC was involved.
Going to just change Scamp's color to green until we know more for sure.
I'm pretty sure that, based on our circle, L is legit, and RoL is a confirmed green.
Someone mentioned Amber is the other Bodyguard, I personally think that's shenanigans, and it'd mean he was perhaps red if mafia made a sub-in... but if he's not, we're making Pyrr open to hits, which is a bad thing.
I still have a feeling tricode is blue but I don't know what blue roles are left, maybe he's the medic (if we had more than one which seems likely), another hatter, the other DT?
It has been mentioned that Pyrr is probably rather innocent, however, due to his rapid vote on Chez.
So, I'll toss this out there, and these are all MY thoughts.. Shikyo flipped DT once I claimed my sanity, so this means he is the other DT, or he is the GF... and the reason I'm thinking it is possible he could be a GF claiming DT is that he'd get a rather good ability to toss out random 'checks' because of the sanity stuff we have for DT's. Picking a color for someone is easy if you don't have to pin a role on a blue (because you only get that with a correct sanity type or claimed sanity). It seems more likely that tricode is the other DT and is keeping quiet.
So for todays Lynch we have: HoE, motbob, Scamp, tricode, Amber, Shikyo
I agree with RoL on HoE and motbob as they've been really inactive lately despite being allowed to stay around. I mean.. you get banned, and are then allowed to come back just to play the game.. and then you don't talk.. gimme a break...
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On November 02 2009 11:13 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well its time to lynch two people.
I propose we kill HeavOnEarth and Motbob. ...I got the old team (you and Pyrr) to vote for Chez and you want to kill me? There are better lynch candidates. Hell, based on the fact that I pretty much singlehandedly got a mafia lynched I thought I was hovering around "confirmed town" levels.
You make a valid point.. so HoE and Scamp?
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Disregard this fail on my part.. nothing to see here.
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Here is a quickly cumulated no-vote history report...
Day 1 (Mayor/Pard)
L
Scamp
Day 2
L
motbob
Day 3
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
Day 4
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Redtooth
Heavonearth
All I really want to mess with atm, need sleep.. get to work town!
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On November 03 2009 10:19 Ver wrote:
Sorry I've been away for a bit, updating OP now.
I like how we still have 2 of 2 bodyguards left, thanks for continuing to show that you and math just don't get along, Ver ;P
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On November 03 2009 11:27 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 09:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think it has been said a few times by now. Vivi can only be the godfather if anything. Vivi and Redtooth were both the SAME to sugdori's checks on them. Do you honestly think both of them are our last mafia, or that one is the godfather? No, I don't. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. There seems to be a lot of decision making that is being kept secret from the town. Pyrr had some reasoning to vote for Chez that he revealed after the vote. It would have been nice to have that information before the vote. Now apparently there was a plan to keep the vote close to see if anyone would reveal themselves by voting at the last second. Awesome. Again there is probably a wealth of information to be had but if there is it's being kept secret. Now we're voting on the pretense that we're bound to hit a mafia if we just vote a whole group of people off. Excellent. We are in a good situation so let's just nuke the island and pick off mafia in a random blast. What is the point of all this secrecy? The mafia only has one KP a night, we have a medic out there somewhere, we have a veteran who's afraid to speak pubically, and we have multiple DTs figuring out things as we go. Unless there's something I'm missing, all the mafia have in their favor right now is a godfather. But if we play scared and hide all the information we have, this will just cause confusion among the town that aren't "in the loop."
I try to share at least a portion of what is going on without releasing everyone's roles, if you don't feel that is enough please ask more and I'll pass it on if it really was discussed. There really isn't much going on atm other than confirming that I'd be protected from now on and that Shikyo is suspect. Which, I recall, I quite clearly shared my thoughts openly.. if that isn't enough for you.. then maybe you are just being a paranoid lynch magnet ;P
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Scamp, it was also before I was reminded that I was being a fool at not looking at the logistics of the probabilities of how I could possibly have checked the last two living reds xD
After that I stopped the whole rant against vivi and red and realized they were more likely town than red, unless one is the GF (just as unlikely).
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On November 04 2009 10:08 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 09:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Scamp did PM me to say he was suspicious of infundibulum but that quickly became useless because infund died and turned blue. I had to check the PM I sent you. Re-reading it, I didn't really make it clear as to the intent of the PM. It was more so that someone had the info that Infun claimed medic and protected L the night he claimed he got hit and protected by a medic. I wasn't fully convinced, though, that Infun wasn't just using me to go after L.
So there are two possibilities I see from this....
Mafia noticed my list where I said I was damn sure Infun was blue if L was... OR
Pyrr or you knew and nuked him to make it so I no longer had protection for future nights, as I'm clearly a hamper to mafia having a sure-fire win.
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Also, Scamp, thanks for the vote of confidence ;_;
I will remember this!!!
but alas, night is 'bout over, and unless mafia comes out swinging their bats, it looks like Shikyo and HoE will be riding the Styx tonight.
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On November 04 2009 10:36 Ver wrote:
About the voting:
Voting has ended at 10 KST except for Pyrr. He asked me something right before the deadline and it took me a bit to answer and I told him that he could vote after he got my answer (about mayor votes). Unfortunately it seems he is having connection problems or something as he keeps going online and offline so I won't wait much longer.
edit: L's vote counts too since I had to delay it anyway and his earlier misvote was because I messed something up in the vote counts.
Sorry for all the trouble guys
Yeh, Pyrrs votes should count for 2, even in a double lynch.. so that adds 1 for each of those columns.. might want to change the counts to reflect that.
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On November 04 2009 10:55 Ver wrote:
Pyrr notified me that he only wants to use 1 vote each.
I did screw up the voting stuff sorry guys but in the end I believe everything works out.
HoE and Scamp are being lynched post up in a sec.
Since when is that ever been allowed..................? Last I heard, when Qatol was telling me he forgot about it, was that ALL his votes count double because he's mayor.. and it doesn't even say in the game rules that they can choose to deny that 2x rule... so srsly.. WTF
If it is, then that's bullshit, and we lynch Pyrr next.
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On November 04 2009 13:51 L wrote: well, to be fair, I was also the one that pushed him to the tie breaker. I voted because scamp wasn't on the no-vote list, so I assumed he voted (i checked if he voted shikyo to see if he could swing the vote too) if anyone had the balls to kill someone who could have been a DT, we would have had a good suspect to go on today, but then Ver's voting hilarity kinda got in the way, because scamp didn't actually vote for anyone. Him voting for himself totally ruined what I was trying to do, so I just brought things back to the pre-me intervention status. I was actually going to vote for him, then abstain to re-tie things with scamp ahead as was previously desired, but I was pretty much the last vote so I didn't bother. Either way, we need to get rolling on checking shikyo, so sugi plz stop being afk :3
Pfft, I was far too pissed off at the bullshit mayor shit to want to make a post, I really would rather have seen Shikyo die than Scamp.
I did the check on tricode as you asked.. and if he turns red I will be damn surprised, and it will once again swing invitation against Vivi due to his early-moment backing that Tricode was innocent that first day/night.
If not, I think we know that Shikyo, L, Amber, or Pyrr need to sail the river Styx.
I get the strange feeling RedTooth is going to get modkilled, not sure on motbob.
That's all for now, my temper and sadness about an old flame really doesn't have me in the mood right now.
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Tricode is green, can we please get to the killing of Shikyo now?
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On November 04 2009 12:42 Ver wrote:
We've messed up Pyrr's votes a bunch this game. Our fault, not his.
I thought the precedent was that mayors could choose when/how to use their votes. To avoid further complications we'll just be going with that. In future votes if Pyrr could say whether he wants to use on or both of his votes that'd be great and we could avoid further problems then so long as Qatol is the one doing votecounts.
Heh, apparently Qatol said that it hadn't mattered, that you'd forgotten, but would keep up with it from now.. he double checked all the past votes to make sure it hadn't changed anything.
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On November 04 2009 15:11 L wrote:
What.
Didn't you say you wanted to hold your rolecheck back so that we could have a third party give both of you someone random to check so we could see if he had DT powers or not?
Yes I realize that too late now, I don't think well when I'm in a really bad mood and just act on impulse.. shit happens, we'll manage.. :/
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On November 04 2009 19:24 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 14:55 SugiuraMidori wrote:On November 04 2009 12:42 Ver wrote:
We've messed up Pyrr's votes a bunch this game. Our fault, not his.
I thought the precedent was that mayors could choose when/how to use their votes. To avoid further complications we'll just be going with that. In future votes if Pyrr could say whether he wants to use on or both of his votes that'd be great and we could avoid further problems then so long as Qatol is the one doing votecounts. Heh, apparently Qatol said that it hadn't mattered, that you'd forgotten, but would keep up with it from now.. he double checked all the past votes to make sure it hadn't changed anything. Us forgetting the double vote didn't matter before. This time it did. This is our screwup. Sorry! And yes, we have had mayors not use all of their votes before or splitting them among multiple people. I did that as mayor once. (Actually, I think I remember a movement by the town to try and force me to not use my extra votes.) Notice that in the rules the mayor is given an extra vote, not a double vote. As such, the mayor gets to choose what to do with his additional vote; it doesn't necessarily follow that the mayor will always want to 2x vote for someone. In the future I'll just make sure it's me doing the votecounts and not Ver. Also, to avoid confusion, I will be marking the extra vote as an abstain if Pyrr does not wish to use it (he would then appear twice in the votecount).
Ohhhh, okay, that makes sense then..
Just don't overdo it when you got so much HW.
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