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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 21:15:58
June 07 2014 21:15 GMT
#481
On June 08 2014 06:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:10 Gorsameth wrote:
So many people calling C9 bad just because there comp got countered lol.
There running mid Kha'zix. They need to get early teamfight kills so Hai can get resets and get going but the EG comp has to much disruption to allow it. That fact alone decided almost every teamfight this game.


pick/ban is part of the game.

And even then, interrupting Kha'Zix's E or Shyvana's R with such regularity using predictive Flays and Trundle pillars isn't exactly easy. Hai got cockblocked or denied escapes 3 teamfights in a row early on, that punished him hard.

Of course there's still his derp mid that caused him to die...

Poll: Watch EG vs C9 week 3?

Yes (10)
 
63%

If you have time (3)
 
19%

Wtf happened? (3)
 
19%

No (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

Your vote: Watch EG vs C9 week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): Wtf happened?

Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9226 Posts
June 07 2014 21:15 GMT
#482
C9 have some Robin Hood tactics this split, taking points from the rich and giving them to the poor
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
June 07 2014 21:15 GMT
#483
Captain Krepo and his crew starting the EG Hype Plane
Science>Mechanics
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22451 Posts
June 07 2014 21:16 GMT
#484
On June 08 2014 06:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:10 Gorsameth wrote:
So many people calling C9 bad just because there comp got countered lol.
There running mid Kha'zix. They need to get early teamfight kills so Hai can get resets and get going but the EG comp has to much disruption to allow it. That fact alone decided almost every teamfight this game.


pick/ban is part of the game.

Oh for sure and C9 screwed up massively there, I'm talking about the people criticizing the ingame performance of C9 when the game result was more or less a logical result of the 2 comps and the skill with which EG played it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 21:17:16
June 07 2014 21:16 GMT
#485
That's pretty much what should've happened when they tried Kha mid last week but lmq overdove a few times and failed to close out properly. Maybe they'll actually stop trying to run it now.

Good for eg though, it'll be fun to see altec and pobelter continue to grow
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 21:17:37
June 07 2014 21:17 GMT
#486
Quick Analysis:
  • EG's team was good at control space and distance with Box, Lulu, Trundle, Eve. That's really great for Twitch.
  • C9 always kept trying to fight into narrow chokes. e.g. First fight at Dragon they march down into that side brush and EG gets a perfect Lulu Ult.
  • C9 had no plan to get to Twitch. The last fight they all Flash forward to kill Altec and he just Flashed backwards and keeps killing them
  • Hai has a really small and predictable champion pool.
  • Innox played a tank. Well done. Instrumental in winning this.
  • Snoopeh didn't try as hard to fruitlessly camp lanes and had a good build.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 07 2014 21:17 GMT
#487
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

Snoopeh is part of the problem, but not the main issue. They have no idea what to do with a lead, they don't know how to snowball a lead. They need better support crew, a strong coach and analyst.
liftlift > tsm
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
June 07 2014 21:17 GMT
#488
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

EVIL TWINS.
<3


Snoopeh is a pretty huge problem . He very rarely creates map pressure for the rest of his team to take advantage of. When a team can choose to ignore the jungler like that, it's such a big problem
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#489


just released CLG Vlog with Monte-Sensei.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#490
On June 08 2014 06:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

Snoopeh is part of the problem, but not the main issue. They have no idea what to do with a lead, they don't know how to snowball a lead. They need better support crew, a strong coach and analyst.

Good players make a team. Good support makes teams win.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#491
"and im just killing them "
LOL
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 21:19:43
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#492
On June 08 2014 06:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

Snoopeh is part of the problem, but not the main issue. They have no idea what to do with a lead, they don't know how to snowball a lead. They need better support crew, a strong coach and analyst.


Agreed.
They have enough talent+experience to be successful, just more stability and slightly better laning/rotations and EG are really top-6 material over Curse for sure.

On June 08 2014 06:17 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

EVIL TWINS.
<3


Snoopeh is a pretty huge problem . He very rarely creates map pressure for the rest of his team to take advantage of. When a team can choose to ignore the jungler like that, it's such a big problem


He pretty much never created anything alone.
If EG rotates as five like that game, EG are going to be okay, that's basically Cloud 9 strat to rotate hard to hide skill difference.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#493
On June 08 2014 06:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

Snoopeh is part of the problem, but not the main issue. They have no idea what to do with a lead, they don't know how to snowball a lead. They need better support crew, a strong coach and analyst.

Go ahead with operation helios' retirement home, make snoopeh a coach/analyst. Two birds killed with one stone
Glorious SEA doto
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22451 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#494
On June 08 2014 06:16 Swords wrote:
That's pretty much what should've happened when they tried Kha mid last week but lmq overdove a few times and failed to close out properly. Maybe they'll actually stop trying to run it now.

Good for eg though, it'll be fun to see altec and pobelter continue to grow

LMQ didnt nearly have the amount of control that EG brought.

I would more point the problem to EG correctly identifying the comp stands and falls on Hai's ability to get resets and made a comp that denies that.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#495
Didn't even mention the double jumps being stopped.

Ruuuuuuuuuuuude
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 07 2014 21:19 GMT
#496
On June 08 2014 06:17 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

EVIL TWINS.
<3


Snoopeh is a pretty huge problem . He very rarely creates map pressure for the rest of his team to take advantage of. When a team can choose to ignore the jungler like that, it's such a big problem

The more and more I watch teams play, this is not an individual problem, but a lack of early game strategy.
liftlift > tsm
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 21:22:17
June 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#497
On June 08 2014 06:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:17 ketchup wrote:
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

EVIL TWINS.
<3


Snoopeh is a pretty huge problem . He very rarely creates map pressure for the rest of his team to take advantage of. When a team can choose to ignore the jungler like that, it's such a big problem

The more and more I watch teams play, this is not an individual problem, but a lack of early game strategy.


I have no idea why you say this. It is VERY much an individual problem. C9 can choose to ignore a whole role on the EG team, and not have any negative consequence. No jungler should be ignored. Even with the current trend of junglers being a secondary support/ward role, he should still be creating vision/space.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
June 07 2014 21:22 GMT
#498
On June 08 2014 06:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2014 06:17 ketchup wrote:
On June 08 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Now we have a legit question.
Can C9 lose 10 times this season?

On June 08 2014 06:14 orzeu wrote:
Maybe if Helios joins EG can be decent team?


Snoopeh isn't a real problem, he was utility forever.
If Pobelter and Altec one-two punch shows up, they roll, if no - gg.

EVIL TWINS.
<3


Snoopeh is a pretty huge problem . He very rarely creates map pressure for the rest of his team to take advantage of. When a team can choose to ignore the jungler like that, it's such a big problem

The more and more I watch teams play, this is not an individual problem, but a lack of early game strategy.


Yellowpete was pretty non existend this game also.
Science>Mechanics
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
June 07 2014 21:23 GMT
#499
HOLY SHIT I MISSED THIS GAME WHAT HAPPENED?

I GAVE UP FAITH ALREADY PLS FORGIVE ME EG
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 07 2014 21:23 GMT
#500
On June 08 2014 06:23 Doctorbeat wrote:
HOLY SHIT I MISSED THIS GAME WHAT HAPPENED?

I GAVE UP FAITH ALREADY PLS FORGIVE ME EG

Step 1: have literally NA faker and NA piglet
Step 2: beat C9
Glorious SEA doto
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