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Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
January 18 2014 23:34 GMT
#2741
Is hotshot carrying yet?
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
January 18 2014 23:34 GMT
#2742
Wow that flash pun by Phreak was great. :O

On January 19 2014 08:30 Yezzus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:29 Chicane wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:25 Numy wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:23 Numy wrote:
Maybe this is the game people stop hyping Doublelift as a top ADC

Didnt that happen over a year ago?


People still hype him. It's the greatest denial I've ever seen.


Dude people shit talk him all the time every time he does bad. There is always someone like you to comment on it. I don't see many people (if any) saying he is the best in the world, but he is still a solid player.

Honestly it seems like there are just so many people focused on criticizing every single game he does poorly in, while not giving him any credit when he does well (and he's not the only player that has that issue). He still does have games where he carries hard and shows his skill, especially in the late game. But yeah he's not the best in the world, and probably not even best in NA though it's hard to say with supports playing such a big role.

You should try something though. Think of a good ADC you see often on a team that wins about 50% of games in the LCS. Maybe Creaton or MrRallez... whoever. Then be very critical of every time they don't play well. You will be surprised how often they seem to make stupid plays in games they are playing poorly in. It's easy to get blown up and not carry your team as an ADC.

This is the Zuna effect. Dlift is a top AD on a mediocre team. Zuna is decent too but gets so much hate. Dlift is a god and every1 knows it.


I disagree. Zuna is the opposite imo. He has great teammates. Bloodwater is a great support. Mancloud is a solid mid laner (though he got stomped today) who is often considered one of the best in NA. Benny is usually consistent and Xmithie was one of the best junglers in NA.

Zuna would consistently suicide and have poor positioning, while rarely carrying. At best he would do well along with his team with view exceptions.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
January 18 2014 23:34 GMT
#2743
Put Dlift on TSM or C9 and he will be considered a god. This is a team game not 1v1.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
January 18 2014 23:34 GMT
#2744
On January 19 2014 08:33 Slusher wrote:
I just wish Nien would go to a different team so he can shine on adc again, it's sad he could be one of the best adc in NA but instead he is mired as a mid level top.


He could be in c9, but he jumped ships.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 18 2014 23:35 GMT
#2745
On January 19 2014 08:30 Yezzus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:29 Chicane wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:25 Numy wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:23 Numy wrote:
Maybe this is the game people stop hyping Doublelift as a top ADC

Didnt that happen over a year ago?


People still hype him. It's the greatest denial I've ever seen.


Dude people shit talk him all the time every time he does bad. There is always someone like you to comment on it. I don't see many people (if any) saying he is the best in the world, but he is still a solid player.

Honestly it seems like there are just so many people focused on criticizing every single game he does poorly in, while not giving him any credit when he does well (and he's not the only player that has that issue). He still does have games where he carries hard and shows his skill, especially in the late game. But yeah he's not the best in the world, and probably not even best in NA though it's hard to say with supports playing such a big role.

You should try something though. Think of a good ADC you see often on a team that wins about 50% of games in the LCS. Maybe Creaton or MrRallez... whoever. Then be very critical of every time they don't play well. You will be surprised how often they seem to make stupid plays in games they are playing poorly in. It's easy to get blown up and not carry your team as an ADC.

This is the Zuna effect. Dlift is a top AD on a mediocre team. Zuna is decent too but gets so much hate. Dlift is a god and every1 knows it.

Zuna was not a decent AD on a mediocre team. His team was great and carried him every game, except for the ones where they couldn't because he'd jump in 1v4 as tristana and throw. He was a liability. I don't think anyone warrants the actual amount of hate he gets, but he certainly deserved some criticism for his play.
Writer:o
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 18 2014 23:35 GMT
#2746
Whole thread was hyping CLG after game vs Dignitas, cheering for HSGG and other stuff and now are again diving into bandwagon "CLG are pure trash, Liftlift is retard, Nien is bad, other can't play this game"?

What a hypocrisy.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 18 2014 23:35 GMT
#2747
puns of damage
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-18 23:36:26
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2748
On January 19 2014 08:34 Yezzus wrote:
Put Dlift on TSM or C9 and he will be considered a god. This is a team game not 1v1.

Pretty much, he draws so much pressure, watch c9 game against CLG. Meteo set up a nice fat tent in botlane.

When you only have 1 real threat on your team, all the enemy team has to do is just sit on your lane.

On January 19 2014 08:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Whole thread was hyping CLG after game vs Dignitas, cheering for HSGG and other stuff and now are again diving into bandwagon "CLG are pure trash, Liftlift is retard, Nien is bad, other can't play this game"?

What a hypocrisy.

I thought it was pretty obvious the HSGG hype was sarcasm.
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2749
On January 19 2014 08:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Whole thread was hyping CLG after game vs Dignitas, cheering for HSGG and other stuff and now are again diving into bandwagon "CLG are pure trash, Liftlift is retard, Nien is bad, other can't play this game"?

What a hypocrisy.

nobody was seriously thinking hotshot can carry.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2750
On January 19 2014 08:32 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:29 Chicane wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:25 Numy wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:23 Numy wrote:
Maybe this is the game people stop hyping Doublelift as a top ADC

Didnt that happen over a year ago?


People still hype him. It's the greatest denial I've ever seen.


Dude people shit talk him all the time every time he does bad. There is always someone like you to comment on it. I don't see many people (if any) saying he is the best in the world, but he is still a solid player.

Honestly it seems like there are just so many people focused on criticizing every single game he does poorly in, while not giving him any credit when he does well (and he's not the only player that has that issue). He still does have games where he carries hard and shows his skill, especially in the late game. But yeah he's not the best in the world, and probably not even best in NA though it's hard to say with supports playing such a big role.

You should try something though. Think of a good ADC you see often on a team that wins about 50% of games in the LCS. Maybe Creaton or MrRallez... whoever. Then be very critical of every time they don't play well. You will be surprised how often they seem to make stupid plays in games they are playing poorly in. It's easy to get blown up and not carry your team as an ADC.

Because unlike MrRallez or Creaton, DLift keeps calling everyone else trash.
You cant run around shitting on other people and not get called out for it when you screw up yourself.


First off that's just part of his public personality. He does it for fun to bring more excitement and get some laughs. You can see he gets made fun of all the time on the casting desk. I still don't understand why everyone takes it so seriously.

But you know what? Despite all of that it isn't relevant at all to his skill. People take his trash talk seriously, and then use it as an excuse to call him out and shit talk him in every game he doesn't do well, when really if you try you can easily do that to anyone who is on a team that loses about half of their games.
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2751
On January 19 2014 08:34 Badboyrune wrote:
Is hotshot carrying yet?

He was voted MVP+ Show Spoiler +
on reddit
yesterday. Better get some salt for that hat.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2752
On January 19 2014 08:34 Badboyrune wrote:
Is hotshot carrying yet?

hotshot can't carry those scrubs
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
January 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#2753
On January 19 2014 08:34 Chicane wrote:
Wow that flash pun by Phreak was great. :O

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:30 Yezzus wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:29 Chicane wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:25 Numy wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:23 Numy wrote:
Maybe this is the game people stop hyping Doublelift as a top ADC

Didnt that happen over a year ago?


People still hype him. It's the greatest denial I've ever seen.


Dude people shit talk him all the time every time he does bad. There is always someone like you to comment on it. I don't see many people (if any) saying he is the best in the world, but he is still a solid player.

Honestly it seems like there are just so many people focused on criticizing every single game he does poorly in, while not giving him any credit when he does well (and he's not the only player that has that issue). He still does have games where he carries hard and shows his skill, especially in the late game. But yeah he's not the best in the world, and probably not even best in NA though it's hard to say with supports playing such a big role.

You should try something though. Think of a good ADC you see often on a team that wins about 50% of games in the LCS. Maybe Creaton or MrRallez... whoever. Then be very critical of every time they don't play well. You will be surprised how often they seem to make stupid plays in games they are playing poorly in. It's easy to get blown up and not carry your team as an ADC.

This is the Zuna effect. Dlift is a top AD on a mediocre team. Zuna is decent too but gets so much hate. Dlift is a god and every1 knows it.


I disagree. Zuna is the opposite imo. He has great teammates. Bloodwater is a great support. Mancloud is a solid mid laner (though he got stomped today) who is often considered one of the best in NA. Benny is usually consistent and Xmithie was one of the best junglers in NA.

Zuna would consistently suicide and have poor positioning, while rarely carrying. At best he would do well along with his team with view exceptions.


Agreed. The thing that was especially disconcerting about Zuna is they'd put him in a 2v1 lane on Trist/Vayne as lategame insurance. Vulcun would hit lategame with everyone super fed, and a fairly well built lategame adc, and then Zuna would jump in 1v5 die and throw the game despite all the effort of Xmithie/Mancloud/Bloodwater.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
January 18 2014 23:37 GMT
#2754
ok HSGG hype return was fun. But can a real player join CLG now lol
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 18 2014 23:37 GMT
#2755
DL only 3k gold away from being a god. 2300 for LW, and 650 for ionian boots.
liftlift > tsm
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 18 2014 23:37 GMT
#2756
On January 19 2014 08:36 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Whole thread was hyping CLG after game vs Dignitas, cheering for HSGG and other stuff and now are again diving into bandwagon "CLG are pure trash, Liftlift is retard, Nien is bad, other can't play this game"?

What a hypocrisy.

nobody was seriously thinking hotshot can carry.


It's not about Hotshot.
It's about usual things.
Sometimes i feel like i'm only CLG fan left in this world T____T
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 18 2014 23:38 GMT
#2757
EG lead is ballooning. Even though CLG farmed a lot of cs money back up, EG is really good at denying objective money.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 18 2014 23:38 GMT
#2758
On January 19 2014 08:37 wei2coolman wrote:
DL only 3k gold away from being a god. 2300 for LW, and 650 for ionian boots.

He would still be useless.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 18 2014 23:38 GMT
#2759
is zerkers greaves olaf a real build?
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-18 23:38:53
January 18 2014 23:38 GMT
#2760
On January 19 2014 08:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:36 oneofthem wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Whole thread was hyping CLG after game vs Dignitas, cheering for HSGG and other stuff and now are again diving into bandwagon "CLG are pure trash, Liftlift is retard, Nien is bad, other can't play this game"?

What a hypocrisy.

nobody was seriously thinking hotshot can carry.


It's not about Hotshot.
It's about usual things.
Sometimes i feel like i'm only CLG fan left in this world T____T

All the CLG fans get scared away by the hate train lol
On January 19 2014 08:38 Slusher wrote:
is zerkers greaves olaf a real build?

If you're a real man yes
Glorious SEA doto
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