EG also always used Shen to try and suppress TF, so they sacrificed the global presence of Shen and the very strong roaming of Ahri just to try and maintain the lanes—in that sense, it's their botlane's fault that they weren't able to at least hold their own considering all the efforts made to reduce the pressure on them. However, it also means that Rumble reached his midgame peak pretty comfortably, and since EG wasn't able to utterly crush TF he remained useful.

I thought that Giants! had pretty good map movement and warding too, when they pressured inner top, and the good call to drop the drake to get 2 towers. Getting more towers early eases a lot of the work when latter on Shen can splitpush while Ahri and Varus have strong wave clearing. On the contrary, I found that EG did pretty well to pressure top as a team to deny Giants! pushing. They failed to capitalise or take the tower though (I guess you have to blame Krepo for getting harassed so hard), but it stopped Giants! cross-map pushes.

Swords

6038 Posts

April 14 2013 17:24 GMT

#262

On April 15 2013 02:20 Tula wrote:

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maybe they got outpicked, they probably shouldn't have gone for the blue steal, but that doesn't really change my point.

Leona/Varus got bullied in lane by Zyra and Kennen (who played a great game to be fair). The latter two champions are by far the most common picks from Giants. If you truly want to be a professional you MUST prepare for games like this, otherwise the joke is on you.

Maybe I'm harsh on them, but frankly the lackluster way EG prepares for their games has been bugging me all season. Obviously you cannot predict every pick and ban, but you can plan ahead to some extent. If you don't have a solid plan to deal with someones signature champion than maybe you should ban him out. They didn't and they lost, so now they get mocked for it.

I agree with what you're saying (in terms of "this is their job they need to be better prepared", but I still think it's kind of unfair. If I remember correctly, that failed blue steal really hurt Leona/Varus, they had to deal with a Kennen with 3 assists and a Zyra with at least one kill and red buff - which gives that lane a huge starting advantage. You can prepare for a lane, but starting with a disadvantage like that is pretty hard to deal with at a professional level no matter how much preparation you put into it.

Krepo did get first blood though, so maybe some of this is on him not using that advantage to help keep the lane even.

I still don't get why they didn't just ban Kennen though.

nxk

United Kingdom2291 Posts

April 14 2013 17:26 GMT

#263

Yeah, Giants played really well this game, also I think EG should have focused more on shutting down Rumble IMO.. Letting Rumble 1v1 against Shen was a big mistake, he got quite farmed and his damage was a huge factor in teamfights.

nxk

United Kingdom2291 Posts

April 14 2013 17:27 GMT

#264

And yeah really, they should have banned Kennen.

Darkshark

Germany27 Posts

April 14 2013 17:29 GMT

#265

I don't understand, why they did not ban Kennen or/and Zyra. I don't understand the Kha'Zix ban, isn't Exterminare a great TF player? I can not remember a game, in which he carried hard with Kha. So why don't ban out kennen instat of Kha?
The second thing i don't understand is, why did they swap lanes in the mid game. Wickd just lost the 2nd tower top without anything he could do against it. I would have stayed with Krepo and Pete top, maybe they would be 20-30 cs behind, but they wouldn't lost their tower so fast.
Well, WP by Giants.

XaCez

Sweden6991 Posts

April 14 2013 17:29 GMT

#266

LCS Europe Week #9
Fnatic

DragonBorns

Bans
Lux
Leona
Draven
Elise
Thresh
Twisted Fate

Picks
Zed
Jarvan IV
Kha'Zix
Nocturne
Zyra
Kayle
Miss Fortune
Twitch
Jayce
Malphite

Redox

Germany24794 Posts

April 14 2013 17:31 GMT

#267

On April 15 2013 02:29 Darkshark wrote:
The second thing i don't understand is, why did they swap lanes in the mid game. Wickd just lost the 2nd tower top without anything he could do against it. I would have stayed with Krepo and Pete top, maybe they would be 20-30 cs behind, but they wouldn't lost their tower so fast.
Well, WP by Giants.

Obviously to get dragon. 2 man bot, + shen ult from top. So potentially 5v3.

nxk

United Kingdom2291 Posts

April 14 2013 17:31 GMT

#268

On April 15 2013 02:29 Darkshark wrote:
I don't understand, why they did not ban Kennen or/and Zyra. I don't understand the Kha'Zix ban, isn't Exterminare a great TF player? I can not remember a game, in which he carried hard with Kha. So why don't ban out kennen instat of Kha?
The second thing i don't understand is, why did they swap lanes in the mid game. Wickd just lost the 2nd tower top without anything he could do against it. I would have stayed with Krepo and Pete top, maybe they would be 20-30 cs behind, but they wouldn't lost their tower so fast.
Well, WP by Giants.

Actually that laneswap mid game was an attempt by EG to take dragon but they were stopped by that ward that they couldn't clear because their pink ward couldn't see it. But even with that ward EG could have taken the dragon, guess they didn't want to risk losing the smite war.

XaCez

Sweden6991 Posts

April 14 2013 17:44 GMT

#269

I take it nobody is interested in this game?