Yeah these huge crowds make me so happy. LoL has grown so much. And seeing CLG do so well makes me happy too seeing as they've made it this far all on their own. No outside manager, they weren't thrown together to try to capitalize on LoL's success... They were a team when the esports scene for LoL was pathetic and they helped it grow so it's good to see them be successful. :D I'm not sure how old school the Euro teams are but I'm glad CLG's doing so well.

As for that game... Millenium really needs to step up their picks. They should get an aggressive jungler (not amumu) and a STRONG top laner (udyr) and shut down hotshot.

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

August 20 2011 08:36 GMT

#1725

On August 20 2011 17:35 ketchup wrote:

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Where did you hear/read this?

Streams, interviews and oddones community jungling guide.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 20 2011 08:36 GMT

#1726

On August 20 2011 17:35 ketchup wrote:

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Where did you hear/read this?

That's not true... not all the NA teams think Amumu is weak. CLG likes Amumu, just that saint doesn't play him.

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

August 20 2011 08:36 GMT

#1727

On August 20 2011 17:35 HazMat wrote:

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Eh he was like 30 cs behind and couldn't kill Jax even with Amumu ganks.

brand was further behind mid, 40-50 cs down to anivia

the anivia just straight up threw it getting caught lol

Niton

United States2395 Posts

August 20 2011 08:36 GMT

#1728

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 20 2011 08:36 GMT

#1729

On August 20 2011 17:33 bigjenk wrote:

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Yeah the big 3 american junglers from eg/clg/tsm all think amumu is the weakest commonly picked jungle.

The reason for the difference of opinion is quite clear--European junglers are super-defensive and are not experienced counterjunglers. Almost all the EU v EU matches we've seen involve extremely passive jungling. Amumu outscales pretty much any other jungler in the game if he gets to afk-farm undisrupted. But he also gets punished super hard if he loses control of his own jungle.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

August 20 2011 08:37 GMT

#1730

On August 20 2011 17:34 Brees wrote:
zilean held his own, laning wasnt the problem

that's not what I saw at all, zilean was way behind on cs and he kept bleeding xp because his waves got pushed into the tower while he was away

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

August 20 2011 08:37 GMT

#1731

On August 20 2011 17:34 Brees wrote:
zilean held his own, laning wasnt the problem

Yeah being down 30 cs letting jax free farm and get both top towers and a 22 min gunblade with 3 dorans and being down 2 levels is doing good huh?

Zilean had to b every 2 or 3 waves.

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

August 20 2011 08:38 GMT

#1732

are you guys watching the same game as me? zilean went bot to push and get dragon. he just didnt "let him" get the tower. Also brand lost his lane to anviia by more cs then zilean lost to jax.

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

August 20 2011 08:39 GMT

#1733

On August 20 2011 17:38 Brees wrote:
are you guys watching the same game as me? zilean went bot to push. he just didnt "let him" get the tower. Also brand lost his lane to anviia by more cs then zilean lost to jax.

Yeah but letting a jax get almost as much farm as a blue buff anivia loses you the game.

Anivia always should have the most cs.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

August 20 2011 08:39 GMT

#1734

let's draw a distinction between

a) claiming zilean's lane failing actually is what lost them the game (no way, it was the double suicide)

vs

b) claiming zilean failed his lane

I don't think jax actually had much of an impact that game, could have been any tanky dps and he didn't have to win his lane for the game to turn out exactly as it did

daemir

Finland8662 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1735

c) Zilean failed to disrupt Jax's farming

you gotta stop jax from free farming, you just have to. He scales far too well.

Chrispy

Canada5878 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1736

Honestly Irelia would be a really good pick for these European teams... Pick Irelia dammit. Isn't one of these guys known for his Irelia or something?

bigjenk

United States1543 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1737

On August 20 2011 17:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
let's draw a distinction between

a) claiming zilean's lane failing actually is what lost them the game (no way, it was the double suicide)

vs

b) claiming zilean failed his lane

I don't think jax actually had much of an impact that game, could have been any tanky dps and he didn't have to win his lane for the game to turn out exactly as it did

The failure was in the pick, jax beats zil to hard didn't have enough damage to complete a gank with amumu or even force a back, and jax is sooo much better with farm.

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1738

pretty much this. jax did not even come close to winning them the game, anivia getting caught twice in a row lost it.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1739

On August 20 2011 17:40 Chrispy wrote:
Honestly Irelia would be a really good pick for these European teams... Pick Irelia dammit. Isn't one of these guys known for his Irelia or something?

Wickd

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

August 20 2011 08:40 GMT

#1740

On August 20 2011 17:40 daemir wrote:
c) Zilean failed to disrupt Jax's farming

you gotta stop jax from free farming, you just have to. He scales far too well.

didn't matter really

It might have lost them the game without the double suicide... but jax freefarm is not at all what lost them the game the way things actually played out because they just threw it away for free, we'll never know