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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:33 Seiuchi wrote: Was this the first game this tournament the jungler's actually made a significant contribution towards winning? I think so. saint did eh/ok yesterday. OddOne did on par job on Day 1. This game, Noc felt like he contributed a lot. | ||
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alkow
United States192 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:33 isM wrote: No sense banning Nidalee if you are going to let hotshot farm like that anyways. They dont want more hotshotnidaleeggs running around from watching him play | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
As for that game... Millenium really needs to step up their picks. They should get an aggressive jungler (not amumu) and a STRONG top laner (udyr) and shut down hotshot. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
Streams, interviews and oddones community jungling guide. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
That's not true... not all the NA teams think Amumu is weak. CLG likes Amumu, just that saint doesn't play him. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:35 HazMat wrote: Eh he was like 30 cs behind and couldn't kill Jax even with Amumu ganks. brand was further behind mid, 40-50 cs down to anivia the anivia just straight up threw it getting caught lol | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:33 bigjenk wrote: Yeah the big 3 american junglers from eg/clg/tsm all think amumu is the weakest commonly picked jungle. The reason for the difference of opinion is quite clear--European junglers are super-defensive and are not experienced counterjunglers. Almost all the EU v EU matches we've seen involve extremely passive jungling. Amumu outscales pretty much any other jungler in the game if he gets to afk-farm undisrupted. But he also gets punished super hard if he loses control of his own jungle. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:34 Brees wrote: zilean held his own, laning wasnt the problem that's not what I saw at all, zilean was way behind on cs and he kept bleeding xp because his waves got pushed into the tower while he was away | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:34 Brees wrote: zilean held his own, laning wasnt the problem Yeah being down 30 cs letting jax free farm and get both top towers and a 22 min gunblade with 3 dorans and being down 2 levels is doing good huh? Zilean had to b every 2 or 3 waves. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:38 Brees wrote: are you guys watching the same game as me? zilean went bot to push. he just didnt "let him" get the tower. Also brand lost his lane to anviia by more cs then zilean lost to jax. Yeah but letting a jax get almost as much farm as a blue buff anivia loses you the game. Anivia always should have the most cs. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
a) claiming zilean's lane failing actually is what lost them the game (no way, it was the double suicide) vs b) claiming zilean failed his lane I don't think jax actually had much of an impact that game, could have been any tanky dps and he didn't have to win his lane for the game to turn out exactly as it did | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
you gotta stop jax from free farming, you just have to. He scales far too well. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:39 UniversalSnip wrote: let's draw a distinction between a) claiming zilean's lane failing actually is what lost them the game (no way, it was the double suicide) vs b) claiming zilean failed his lane I don't think jax actually had much of an impact that game, could have been any tanky dps and he didn't have to win his lane for the game to turn out exactly as it did The failure was in the pick, jax beats zil to hard didn't have enough damage to complete a gank with amumu or even force a back, and jax is sooo much better with farm. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:39 UniversalSnip wrote: let's draw a distinction between a) claiming zilean's lane failing actually is what lost them the game (no way, it was the double suicide) vs b) claiming zilean failed his lane I don't think jax actually had much of an impact that game, could have been any tanky dps and he didn't have to win his lane for the game to turn out exactly as it did pretty much this. jax did not even come close to winning them the game, anivia getting caught twice in a row lost it. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:40 Chrispy wrote: Honestly Irelia would be a really good pick for these European teams... Pick Irelia dammit. Isn't one of these guys known for his Irelia or something? Wickd | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 20 2011 17:40 daemir wrote: c) Zilean failed to disrupt Jax's farming you gotta stop jax from free farming, you just have to. He scales far too well. didn't matter really It might have lost them the game without the double suicide... but jax freefarm is not at all what lost them the game the way things actually played out because they just threw it away for free, we'll never know | ||
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