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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
July 12 2013 17:29 GMT
#7761
On my phone, did the prosecution present a single fact during their last 15 mins?
Was there any estimate of how long the jury are gonna take?
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 12 2013 17:33 GMT
#7762
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2013 17:33 GMT
#7763
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 12 2013 17:36 GMT
#7764
On July 13 2013 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.

And what did the judge say?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2013 17:37 GMT
#7765
On July 13 2013 02:36 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.

And what did the judge say?

"You'll have jury instructions on reasonable doubt."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2013 17:38 GMT
#7766
On July 13 2013 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:36 ComaDose wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.

And what did the judge say?

"You'll have jury instructions on reasonable doubt."

A/K/A Don't do my job for me, counsel.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 12 2013 17:42 GMT
#7767
On July 13 2013 02:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:36 ComaDose wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.

And what did the judge say?

"You'll have jury instructions on reasonable doubt."

A/K/A Don't do my job for me, counsel.


No, it was directed at the jury. She didn't stop the prosecutor from doing it, just telling the jury that as for how to apply the law, they need to use the instructions provided by the Court, not the attorneys.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 12 2013 17:48 GMT
#7768
oh okay thanks. she said that to the jury?
thats funny like basically discrediting his version of reasonable doubt, discrediting him.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
July 12 2013 17:50 GMT
#7769
On July 13 2013 02:48 ComaDose wrote:
oh okay thanks. she said that to the jury?
thats funny like basically discrediting his version of reasonable doubt, discrediting him.


Isnt there only one version of reasonable doubt?
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 17:55:30
July 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#7770
On July 13 2013 02:42 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:38 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:36 ComaDose wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 LegalLord wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:33 ComaDose wrote:
what happened with the sidebar mid-close thing?

O'Mara objected that Guy was talking about reasonable doubt instead of letting jury instructions do that.

And what did the judge say?

"You'll have jury instructions on reasonable doubt."

A/K/A Don't do my job for me, counsel.


No, it was directed at the jury. She didn't stop the prosecutor from doing it, just telling the jury that as for how to apply the law, they need to use the instructions provided by the Court, not the attorneys.

Ah, well that amounts to mostly the same thing, she is just telling the jury "Now kid, I will explain that to you as well, so you should listen to me when it happens"

By objecting, the Defense pretty much handles the issue. The jury knows there was likely something off base with the DA discussing reasonable doubt and they will listen to the judge.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 12 2013 17:55 GMT
#7771
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 12 2013 17:57 GMT
#7772
On July 13 2013 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.

but what if there was more than one jurors crying after Guy's speech? :O
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 12 2013 17:59 GMT
#7773
On July 13 2013 02:57 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.

but what if there was more than one jurors crying after Guy's speech? :O

I wouldn't read too much into the crying. Regardless of whether Zimmerman is guilty, there still is a dead kid out there.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
July 12 2013 17:59 GMT
#7774
On July 13 2013 02:57 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.

but what if there was more than one jurors crying after Guy's speech? :O


I heard that one of them was yawning. It could be that a tear dripped down her face from that.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 12 2013 18:02 GMT
#7775
And here's the other thing. There probably is at least one person on the jury who is pre-disposed to think like some of the anti-Zimmerman posters in this thread, just as there is probably at least one person on the jury who is pre-disposed to think like some of the pro-Zimmerman posters in this thread. There will be some discussions during deliberations about differences in opinion. However, as long as at least one of the pro-Zimmerman jurors holds out, Zimmerman will walk.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 12 2013 18:02 GMT
#7776
On July 13 2013 02:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:57 BigFan wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.

but what if there was more than one jurors crying after Guy's speech? :O

I wouldn't read too much into the crying. Regardless of whether Zimmerman is guilty, there still is a dead kid out there.

On July 13 2013 02:59 MethodSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:57 BigFan wrote:
On July 13 2013 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, closing arguments rarely make a difference in trial. If I recall correctly, the studies show that about 1 in 12 jurors change their mind as a result of hearing closing arguments.

but what if there was more than one jurors crying after Guy's speech? :O


I heard that one of them was yawning. It could be that a tear dripped down her face from that.

ya, it was meant as a joke lol. I think it's gonna be close regardless just due to the conditions of the case.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
July 12 2013 18:03 GMT
#7777
I heard one of the jury was doing the Macarena, I wonder what it means.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 12 2013 18:04 GMT
#7778
On July 13 2013 03:03 nihlon wrote:
I heard one of the jury was doing the Macarena, I wonder what it means.

a spanish dance?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macarena_(song) ?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 12 2013 18:08 GMT
#7779
On July 13 2013 03:03 nihlon wrote:
I heard one of the jury was doing the Macarena, I wonder what it means.

Gangnam Style aint got shit on the Macarena
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 12 2013 18:09 GMT
#7780
They didn't mention it much during the course of the trial, but his usage of deadly force is justified to stop a (2nd degree?) felony against him ? Would beating the shit out of him meet this standard ?
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