What do you think, outpicked?

http://dota.replays.net/doc/cn/2009-9-21/12535731638072949718.html
http://dota.replays.net/doc/cn/2009-9-22/12535816765517052919.html

game 1, I feel stupid not banning brood when our team is obviously horrible vs it. But whatever, there's too much gay shit I want to ban in 62b anyway.
game 2, I don't know... I'm not into that asian sylla/visage trend. I'm pretty sure a big factor was bottom lane getting curbstomped. lion undying vs es puck = ?????? I actually watched the replay 1x speed with fog of war on and that has got to be some of the worst laning in a competitive match that gets revealed to the public. forget that it's my own team.

If you knew our players as well as I do, I guess the picks might make more sense but I can't say I'm happy at all with our picks. Some picks are just not viable lol not to mention we've been fucking around with 63 and 0 games on 62b since our last match.

la la la

Picks look fine although I personally don't like Slardar without a healer or SF without ES as you can't really gank properly with him vs decent teams.

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

September 23 2009 01:53 GMT

#10724

Heen, seriously, I think you are too caught up with what the other team can do when you no longer have the players to do whatever you want in terms of line up, like I said before find a line up that works well for your team and ban heroes that would screw you over the most, chances are you aren't going to be horribly outlaned and then fall into these frankly horrible one sided games (all of us in Comp. Dota at PD.com were wondering what happened to SUP lululz). Find what works for your team, what they are comfortable in running and play it out that way.

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

September 23 2009 02:11 GMT

#10725

Undying + Lion lost to ES+Puck.
There's nothing he can do to make pieces of shit become good. If they can't play versatile heros they aren't worth anything as allies.
Drop them and find better pieces.

paper

13196 Posts

September 23 2009 02:39 GMT

#10726

TESTIE SO HEARTLESS

Nitrogen

United States5345 Posts

September 23 2009 02:51 GMT

#10727

salad tossin time

bhp255

United States600 Posts

September 23 2009 06:29 GMT

#10728

so yar, we came, we won, we owned, we dominated, then we got rolled
an evening of HoN with tastie and friends :p
(that last game was a pretty bad lineup imo... also ppl not knowing the heroes affected our judgment, which led to unnecessary deaths)

paper

13196 Posts

September 23 2009 06:37 GMT

#10729

any lineup with bhp is a pretty bad lineup

SALAD TOSSERS UNITE!

TheMusiC

United States1054 Posts

September 23 2009 06:48 GMT

#10730

o so ppl are playing hon now?

dyh and i have been playing for some time already ;p. fun fun game!

Naib

Hungary4843 Posts

September 23 2009 07:20 GMT

#10731

On September 22 2009 03:34 Heen wrote:
Another day of embarassment

I just watched game 2 yesterday and holy shit that was embarassing

Especially bot lane that everybody mentioned. By no means am I a great player but some moves undy / lion did were puzzling to say the least. (gotta give credit to the ES / Puck players too though, they had great synergy and maximized their heroes' potential)

iirc Undy didn't even go the correct skill build, but I gotta double-check that before making judgment.

Play

Australia608 Posts

September 23 2009 07:27 GMT

#10732

hi i applied for the TL clan on garena as p23s3, looking forward to playing some dota with TL members

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

September 23 2009 08:44 GMT

#10733

On September 23 2009 10:53 Judicator wrote:
Heen, seriously, I think you are too caught up with what the other team can do when you no longer have the players to do whatever you want in terms of line up, like I said before find a line up that works well for your team and ban heroes that would screw you over the most, chances are you aren't going to be horribly outlaned and then fall into these frankly horrible one sided games (all of us in Comp. Dota at PD.com were wondering what happened to SUP lululz). Find what works for your team, what they are comfortable in running and play it out that way.

Yes, this is the same conclusion I've come to. Coming up with a realistic lineup structure is one of our priorities right now. In spare time, I plan to make everyone practice laning which in itself is quite embarassing. For every scrim we could play vs some scrub team we can play a good 5~7 games of laning and work on that as well.

We'll probably come up with some lineup that takes no brains to play and is very tower oriented

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

September 23 2009 08:51 GMT

#10734

3-4 of our originally strongest lineup have gone inactive or can't play for personal reasons so... if we had our strongest 5, I'm confident we would've been pretty strong among the ADC teams. c'est la vie. Every team has downs I suppose.

Alventenie

United States2147 Posts

September 23 2009 12:32 GMT

#10735

I will be back in town by next monday, so don't think i vanished ^^.

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

September 23 2009 13:04 GMT

#10736

Lion Dirge vs Puck ES after getting FB and CM aura isn't very easy. Your Lion cost you that lane and your top lane was a giant fuck up (chase that Bear off the creep line straight up at level 1 what is he going to do?) and let their CM to do whatever.

Basically the Lion had to make that bot lane work, and he didn't, credit mski for playing more aggressive than most lanes would against Dirge+X and realizing that lane needed help first which they got with that FB (Puck+ES both getting Bottle at around the same time is not a good sign).

Your top lane was just as bad, Slard/Potm losing to Sylla with a culling?