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On March 05 2012 10:19 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people hate Viscant? I don't really watch the streams or care for how they act really, but is he a douchebag or something? I was watching his Cross Counter tutorial and he seemed like a chill guy.
He is like Noel, people hate him just because they do. As they say, haters gonna hate.
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On March 05 2012 10:21 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 10:19 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people hate Viscant? I don't really watch the streams or care for how they act really, but is he a douchebag or something? I was watching his Cross Counter tutorial and he seemed like a chill guy. He is like Noel, people hate him just because they do. As they say, haters gonna hate.
I hate him b/c of the phoeeeeniixxxxxx. Also because he won evo and combofiend didn't. Also because haters gonna hate... or something
Edit: This LOG Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
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I'm torn, I really want to see Yipes win this because it's his first time placing so high in UMvC3 and MvC3 in general. But I want Joe to win because of that sexy tech and hype.
edit: poor Yipes D:
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Yipes places third. Damn was rooting for him once CFiend was out. Well... GO TEAM MURICA!!!
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Ageojoe is such a troll. I love all of his taunting.
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People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3
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On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3
Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out.
Also, I still have to get it on PS3 >.<
Edit: PR with the USA CHANT SUPPORT! Ties it up 2-2!!!
Edit 2: Dat log >.<
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Awww yeah, Joe taking the gold. Glad to see Rog adapt mid set, but wasn't enough time.
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On March 05 2012 11:21 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3 Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out.
Those are pretty stupid reasons to be honest. Pretty much half of the top players used Phoenix in vanilla, and didn't Justin knock Combofiend out of EVO? Not sure about that.
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On March 05 2012 11:21 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3 Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out. Also, I still have to get it on PS3 >.< Edit: PR with the USA CHANT SUPPORT! Ties it up 2-2!!! Edit 2: Dat log >.<
Viscant is a phoenix fraud. Fact.
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On March 05 2012 11:31 Sigrun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:21 Risen wrote:On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3 Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out. Those are pretty stupid reasons to be honest. Pretty much half of the top players used Phoenix in vanilla, and didn't Justin knock Combofiend out of EVO? Not sure about that.
Since when do you need more than baseline reasons to hate someone in a competition?
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lol this was such a gimmicky team. Have the feeling that people will have figured it out after a few days
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On March 05 2012 11:31 Sigrun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:21 Risen wrote:On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3 Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out. Those are pretty stupid reasons to be honest. Pretty much half of the top players used Phoenix in vanilla, and didn't Justin knock Combofiend out of EVO? Not sure about that.
Half of top players didn't win Evo. Viscant isn't even a top player.
It's really the same as in SC2 whenever someone wins a big tournament using a hole in the metagame, except in this case it was EVO - the tournament, and it was won by someone who honestly has not played well before or since, and didn't even play all that impressively during. Viscant's Phoenix is just not on the same level as others like fchamp.
I played competitive MvC2 and have met Viscant in person; he's a weird guy, but I respect him. He's never been at the level where he deserves to call himself an Evo champion though.
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But it was a 5 month old game, I mean look back at BW and SC2. Lets be honest Fruitdealer is never really at a level that he could call himself a champion, but the game was new so he was able to win, just like Viscant for Marvel 3. In that sense it can never be taken away from him. Same with like, Grr.... in Brood War or whatever.
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That's true, but the GSL is a monthly/bimonthly thing, so the champions will rotate more frequently. And at the time when Fruitdealer won, I think he actually was the best player, if not top 3. Viscant was most certainly not a better player than Noel/Justin/Combofiend at the time of his victory, which (to me) is obvious if you watch the games.
Either way though, I root against the Yankees emphatically and probably will for the rest of my life, I don't have some great justification for it. There's nothing wrong with rooting against players, makes watching more fun.
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I mean, thats like saying July wasn't a top 2 player when he got 2nd place in the GSL to, what was it, MC or something? But Zerg was good at that time.
Viscant wasn't a top 3 PLAYER, but he had a top team with his low mechanics yet mindset to match that team, and then he won.
I take away nothing from him for it.
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Hey guys anyone interested in doing a UMVC3 tournament via PS3? PM me if you are I wana get this going!
EDIT: Within the next 2 weeks.
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On March 06 2012 03:15 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:31 Sigrun wrote:On March 05 2012 11:21 Risen wrote:On March 05 2012 11:19 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
People hating on Viscant just because?
The retarded is that about.
Meanwhile, Anyone got UMvC3 on vita? :3 Just gave my reasons. Reading Comprehension 101, go check it out. Those are pretty stupid reasons to be honest. Pretty much half of the top players used Phoenix in vanilla, and didn't Justin knock Combofiend out of EVO? Not sure about that. It's really the same as in SC2 whenever someone wins a big tournament using a hole in the metagame, except in this case it was EVO - the tournament, and it was won by someone who honestly has not played well before or since, and didn't even play all that impressively during. Viscant's Phoenix is just not on the same level as others like fchamp.
Viscant performed well at several tournaments before EVO, such as Wednesday Night Fights and Revelations (where he placed first). He basically pioneered the way that all other Wesker players played with thorough knowledge of his mixups and resets, which he even REVEALED to everyone in a two hour long Youtube video. If people still couldn't deal with him after that, I don't know how you can say he didn't deserve to win EVO.
Viscant might have a horrible Phoenix, but he clearly knew exactly what he was doing when he made his team- a strong battery, invincible assist, and the best anchor- and if people were unable to deal with that "hole in the metagame", I'd say he deserved to win EVO.
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I am a big fan of Viscant since I saw him first appear on an early WNF. His Phoenix certainly wasn't as flashy as others, and polished you could say, but he was pioneering with Wesker and played smart almost always. He was on fire at EVO and deserved to win that. I still have faith he would be a top force in ultimate if he actually dedicated himself.
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It feels odd to have people discount tournament victories from gimmick teams when the game's basically a contest of who can gimmick harder and not drop combos. It's not like that's a bad thing, but if someone won with wolverine/akuma/wesker or whatever the random mixup team of the time was is that really less fraudulent? Half the skill in this game is knowing how to do/prevent gimmick setups.
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